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General election 2024

If Labour get in, will they reverse Brexit?

214 replies

VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget · 24/05/2024 08:43

I have no idea, so is it possible/likely?

I'm specifically thinking about free movement within Europe. At the moment its very hard to get a visa to move, permanently move, anywhere in the EU.

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leafybrew · 24/05/2024 08:44

No - they won't. It took over 20 years to join the EU - you can't just re-join like it's a club.

FrenchandSaunders · 24/05/2024 08:44

No! It really isn't that simple!

HappiestSleeping · 24/05/2024 08:47

As the above posters have said, there is no such thing as 'reversing' Brexit. We have left, and the terms we had previously are now gone. We could apply to rejoin, but it is unlikely that we would have anywhere near the same terms we had before, and the EU would insist we changed currency to the Euro. For this reason alone, I doubt we will ever rejoin.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 24/05/2024 08:49

They won't, but they haven't got a toxic legacy behind them, so may be able to pull us more into alignment and cooperation on trade, medicines etc, which will increase our gdp instantly. They have their own Brexiteers but they are mainly hard Left, who they have marginalised in the main anyway and we're scared to declare they were pro brexit even during the Brexit campaign.

Maddy70 · 24/05/2024 08:50

No that will take decades.

I do think they will align closer and make things a bit easier to trade and work

Myteenhatesme · 24/05/2024 08:50

I think only the Lib Dems have a policy to try and rejoin the EU but it wouldn't be simple.

WalkingaroundJardine · 24/05/2024 08:56

No to rejoining for political reasons but I think they will work more closely with the EU, like Norway does, which would be a good thing. You wouldn’t get the hostility from the Jacob Rees Mogg types.

Mrsjayy · 24/05/2024 09:00

leafybrew · 24/05/2024 08:44

No - they won't. It took over 20 years to join the EU - you can't just re-join like it's a club.

This, unfortunately it can't just be overturned.

Lonelycrab · 24/05/2024 09:05

No.

It would take many many years to achieve that anyway.

However I do expect that there’ll be an improved working relationship with the Eu, with more cooperation.

Alexandra2001 · 24/05/2024 09:07

Who knows? but it will take at least 2 Parliaments & a lot of rebuilding with the EU.

I think they'll have a much better relationship with the EU and over time, we may see the UK have an EFTA style agreement with the EU.

What the Tories did to the UK over Brexit will never be forgiven, criminal to use this issue for personal gain and now, the main players are leaving Parliament or have left...... Bojo.

Topseyt123 · 24/05/2024 09:09

They won't be able to do that because it's not so simple as just asking to rejoin. It's a whole process that requires the approval of the other member states, who we pissed off big time with Brexshit and the consequent negotiations.

I'd like to think though that Labour would bring us into closer alignment and cooperation with the EU on many things.

I would love to rejoin the EU, but it isn't something that can be guaranteed and the very favourable terms we did actually have are gone now as someone already said. We'd also almost certainly have to join the Euro.

I was a staunch remainer and still think that Brexshit was the stupidest act of self harm this country has ever committed.

Cattenberg · 24/05/2024 09:12

People forget how difficult it was to join the EU in the first place. The UK applied to join the EEC three times before being accepted. Our first two applications were vetoed by France.

VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget · 24/05/2024 09:14

Ok thanks.

It was all so bloody pointless, the reasons people voted for it haven't been addressed, are getting worse, but we can't move anywhere 🙄

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LakeTiticaca · 24/05/2024 09:16

No because a democratic vote can't be overturned . What we need now, as promised, is to get out of the ECHR, and make our own bill of rights

Blackcats7 · 24/05/2024 09:17

Very unlikely and would the EU even want us back?
Hopefully though without the toxic damage done to our reputation and international relations by the tories the EU might work with a labour government to improve the current mess.

Cattenberg · 24/05/2024 09:17

Which human rights do you think the UK should abolish?

IncompleteSenten · 24/05/2024 09:18

As others have said, no.
Tbh they probably wouldn't want us back anyway. 😁

Best thing now is to eat a bit of humble pie and enter into mutually beneficial agreements to try to undo at least some of the fuck ups.

SheilaFentiman · 24/05/2024 09:21

LakeTiticaca · 24/05/2024 09:16

No because a democratic vote can't be overturned . What we need now, as promised, is to get out of the ECHR, and make our own bill of rights

Who promised this?

And anyway, if Labour get in and don’t have this in their manifesto, then the people have spoken, have they not?

LakeTiticaca · 24/05/2024 09:25

Cattenberg · 24/05/2024 09:17

Which human rights do you think the UK should abolish?

The human rights of foreign rapists and murders to remain in the UK because they might come to harm in the own country. And stop the gravy train of human rights lawyers that WE are paying, to stop the legal and correct deportation of those who have no right to be here

Alexandra2001 · 24/05/2024 09:27

LakeTiticaca · 24/05/2024 09:16

No because a democratic vote can't be overturned . What we need now, as promised, is to get out of the ECHR, and make our own bill of rights

What? so UK voted for the tories in 2019 but cannot vote them out, as a democratic vote cannot be overturned?

People can and should be able to change their minds, its undemocratic not to allow this.

We got rid of EU environmental protections, replaced it with the Office of Environmental protection..... thats worked out well hasn't it?

Our own bill of rights would be the same..... the government marking its own homework.

Bytheway, leaving the ECHR was never promised, has never been in any Tory manifesto.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 24/05/2024 09:30

LakeTiticaca · 24/05/2024 09:16

No because a democratic vote can't be overturned . What we need now, as promised, is to get out of the ECHR, and make our own bill of rights

We have our own Bill of Rights. It's called the Himan Rights Act. It's ours ( and also the actual Bill of Rights) .
Democratic votes can be overturned all the time. By another Democratic vote.They are called elections. If a party in their manifesto promises to rejoin the EU andcthey win, then they have a mandate.

BlastedPimples · 24/05/2024 09:30

@LakeTiticaca a democratic voted cannot be overturned. But democracy is not based on one event frozen in time however much you would like it to be be.

But more democracy on the issue can of course be followed. So if there ever were another referendum on the issue or a political party put rejoining as part of their manifesto and they were voted into power, then that's democracy that must be followed.

And hopefully this time people will be an awful lot more informed and not be taken in by the utter bullshit of the likes of Fartage and Rees-Mogg.

And why would I anyone vote to expose themselves to less protection afforded by the ECHR? More stupidity. It's bottomless, isn't it, this stupidity?

Op, unlikely to rejoin any time soon. I don't know that I would vote for the UK to rejoin anyway. I want the EU to thrive and I don't know if a thorn in its side like the UK, always expecting special treatment, is beneficial to the EU's prosperity.

Alexandra2001 · 24/05/2024 09:30

LakeTiticaca · 24/05/2024 09:25

The human rights of foreign rapists and murders to remain in the UK because they might come to harm in the own country. And stop the gravy train of human rights lawyers that WE are paying, to stop the legal and correct deportation of those who have no right to be here

If their deportation is legal, then they will be deported.

Human rights lawyers have to operate within the law, set by Parliament, they don't it up as they go along.

Rwanda flights aren't happening due to the fact they would breach UK law.

Rapists etc..... how can you send people back if their home country wont accept them?

GrumpyPanda · 24/05/2024 09:31

LakeTiticaca · 24/05/2024 09:16

No because a democratic vote can't be overturned . What we need now, as promised, is to get out of the ECHR, and make our own bill of rights

Funny that. Seems like the overwhelming democratic majority of the 1975 referendum (67%) was in fact overturned...

BlastedPimples · 24/05/2024 09:33

@LakeTiticaca stop the gravy train of human rights lawyers? You mean lawyers who work hard in their profession?

And you would be selective about who receives human rights? And in effect decide who is human and who is not?

I would be very very careful about going down that road.

The people who seeks to erode human rights etc would very happily take away your rights too if it suited them.