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General election 2024

If Labour get in, will they reverse Brexit?

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VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget · 24/05/2024 08:43

I have no idea, so is it possible/likely?

I'm specifically thinking about free movement within Europe. At the moment its very hard to get a visa to move, permanently move, anywhere in the EU.

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SheilaFentiman · 28/05/2024 09:21

It was a manifesto pledge because Cameron was scared of Farage.

SheilaFentiman · 28/05/2024 09:23

And it was Cameron/his team who set the “ simple majority”

They could have had a supermajority/majority required in all 4 nations/second referendum on the final deal/referendum on whether to stay in the EEA if leaving the EU etc

They did not.

It was reckless and arrogant

youngones1 · 28/05/2024 09:24

Labour is pro Brexit!

SheilaFentiman · 28/05/2024 09:26

youngones1 · 28/05/2024 09:24

Labour is pro Brexit!

Brexit has happened!

Had it not, a Starmer government might have advocated a second referendum. I think the majority of senior Labour figures would rather it hadn’t happened, but it did.

HappiestSleeping · 28/05/2024 09:26

Another76543 · 28/05/2024 09:18

People seem to be forgetting that the referendum was a 2015 general election Conservative manifesto pledge. The electorate voted in the Conservatives on the promise of a referendum being held. That referendum was held and it was electorate who voted for Brexit. Whatever the rights and wrongs of Brexit, the fact remains that it was the voting public who voted for it.

What they should have done, though, was to put a clear bar on it. That referendum result was so close, if it was run every day for a week it would have been plus or minus every day. Having a 60% bar would have been a better option.

That said, there was then a general election where the referendum result could have been overturned by not voting Conservative, so in a way, that was a second confirmation vote.

With both of those things said, it's like the UK took an intelligence test, and failed. Twice.

bombastix · 28/05/2024 11:30

No. There will be some cuddly mini deals with the EU. I hope a deal is done for the young on FOM. That is probably on both our interests.

Also see - financial services access for the City, immigration returns and veterinary standards for food imports. All important for the UK and not considered during Brexit properly for the sake of domestic politics.

VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget · 28/05/2024 12:07

bombastix · 28/05/2024 11:30

No. There will be some cuddly mini deals with the EU. I hope a deal is done for the young on FOM. That is probably on both our interests.

Also see - financial services access for the City, immigration returns and veterinary standards for food imports. All important for the UK and not considered during Brexit properly for the sake of domestic politics.

All I'm really interested in is FOM.

Why don't countries allow us to move as just standard working age people? From what I can see, you can move to the countries I've looked at if you are retired, or if you are investing I.E opening a company to employ their citizens, but why is paying them tax and NI not enough?

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HappiestSleeping · 28/05/2024 12:14

VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget · 28/05/2024 12:07

All I'm really interested in is FOM.

Why don't countries allow us to move as just standard working age people? From what I can see, you can move to the countries I've looked at if you are retired, or if you are investing I.E opening a company to employ their citizens, but why is paying them tax and NI not enough?

Because we were members of a club that had a set of membership criteria. We chose to leave that club and are unable to just cherry pick the parts that we want to retain.

The other countries have remained members of that club, and wish to enjoy all of the benefits that we decided were unimportant, and as such the consequence is that they have to abide by all of the membership criteria. It is entirely possible that some of those countries think the way you do and would happily allow what you suggest, but not at the expense of all the other economic benefits. It is likely though, that the benefit of a few people in your position would not outweigh the economic benefits that country gets from being a member of the club.

EasternStandard · 28/05/2024 12:17

VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget · 28/05/2024 12:07

All I'm really interested in is FOM.

Why don't countries allow us to move as just standard working age people? From what I can see, you can move to the countries I've looked at if you are retired, or if you are investing I.E opening a company to employ their citizens, but why is paying them tax and NI not enough?

I’m not sure. Maybe youth unemployment figures are a factor

Notonthestairs · 28/05/2024 12:23

Because FoM is one of the 4 pillars of EU freedoms. We opted out of that membership.

beguilingeyes · 28/05/2024 12:32

'If only' is my honest answer. I think it almost impossible though. The right wing media, who are still platforming Nigel Farage at every opportunity, have such a stranglehold on this country that the very mention of Brexit seems verboten at the moment.
It's the thing that must not be named, yet is at the root of so many of our problems.

bombastix · 28/05/2024 12:41

beguilingeyes · 28/05/2024 12:32

'If only' is my honest answer. I think it almost impossible though. The right wing media, who are still platforming Nigel Farage at every opportunity, have such a stranglehold on this country that the very mention of Brexit seems verboten at the moment.
It's the thing that must not be named, yet is at the root of so many of our problems.

For some people Farage is essential. He sets a narrative that the Conservatives can’t touch. I see him in the papers today baiting Rishi Sunak. I don’t like his politics but the man has a sure touch; he understands that the Conservatives can’t say what he does, or won’t. His line is immaculate- why vote diet Reform with the Conservatives when you can really have the full fat Reform party (which will challenge all those tofu eating wokearati Lib Dems and Labour voters?). He is what Labour should be worried about at the next election, not the collective crumbs of the Tories. He is still the authentic EU antagonist.

beguilingeyes · 28/05/2024 14:01

He's too much of a wuss to actually run though. If he is to be believed (never a given), he's buggering off to the US to support Trump.

WalkingaroundJardine · 28/05/2024 21:21

I agree. Farage is now someone who obviously talks a lot but then fucks off and others do the dirty work of making his visions work. He isn’t interested in that.

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