If Labour get in, will they reverse Brexit?

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I have no idea, so is it possible/likely?

I'm specifically thinking about free movement within Europe. At the moment its very hard to get a visa to move, permanently move, anywhere in the EU.

No.
The EU obviously won’t have us back on the same terms.

I’m a Remainer but think that another referendum would be a terrible idea. The first one was so divisive and costly and another vote would make things worse because the 52% will obviously be angry that their votes weren’t respected and will want another vote.

There should have been an option to
vote for a Swiss sttle Trade Agreement with the EU.

Having a shit trading deal with our biggest and one of the worlds richest trading blocks is in no ones interest.

The Eurozone has grown twice as much as the UK since Covid.

1.8% vs 3.6% though in the last Q1 we have grown more, time will tell if this continues.

I can’t see how they can. Their flagship policy (VAT on private school fees) goes against EU law, so if anything they’re planning to move even further away from the EU.

This.

We're out now whether we like that or not. Time to move forward and make the best of it.

How is it a flagship policy?

Its not even on Starmers list of pledges....

The amount raised is tiny in terms of uk gdp.

No, sadly we’re out of the EU for good imo.

They've enough to be getting on with, without adding that to the list as well.

No, too divisive and too difficult to achieve. What I would expect is more effort to co-operate with the EU and more sensible talking about any issues.

The EU will change too. They have June elections coming up

It’s the only firm policy they have at the moment (admittedly we need to see the manifesto). The other ideas are very vague (eg “crack down on anti social behaviour”). It’s also on the list of pledges announced last week.

The amount raised is tiny in terms of uk gdp.

I agree. The potential size of any receipts is irrelevant though; taxing education is not allowed under EU law. I can’t see how we can move closer to the EU when they are planning to go against EU law.

I am a Labour voter and a Remainer and I stand by what I said.

I also think corbyn’s lukewarm position and Leaver leanings were a disservice to the country.

Happy to agree to disagree.

Yes it’s in the ‘first 6’ and there’s not much on there

Agree it will raise very little if anything. It’s GE fodder more than sense.

It's an interesting parallel with Norway.

Norway didn't join because they have reserves from the sales of oil which they use for public goods, to subsidise every day life for people. This counts as 'unfair practise' in EU terms. Norway remains otherwise as aligned as possible with EU laws to make trade as easy as possible

UK also left to protect reserves in off shore funds, however the UK funds are privately owned and benefit only the owners.

“There should have been an option to
vote for a Swiss sttle Trade Agreement with the EU.”

The EU didn’t really want this. We don’t get all the choices.

I am wondering how the EU will change in future. The right wing is very much on the rise in Europe. Things may change dramatically.

As working, unable to go for a golden visa, non-retiree's, we don't really meet any visa criteria.

If you have a good income and want to move, buy a house, pay your taxes as a freelancer, its near impossible to move to another EU country.

The visa's require passive income or a large sum of investment.

No. Although they try to paint Brexit as a Tory issue, there are a hell of a lot of Brexit supporters in the Labour Party.

@VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget I'm pro us working with the EU (eligible for EU passport) but free movement is one of the big reasons we left. Have you looked at the USA, Canada Australia etc if you want to leave?

I don't think we will ever region as we will likely have to adopt the Euro and abide by laws we didn't last time which is a big no no.

I can see a closer relationship with the EU and possibly the US with a change in government. Tho wouldn't put it past labour to get in bed with Russians!!!

Off all the problems, this is their main concern? Its a fucking joke.

If you have a good income and want to move, buy a house, pay your taxes as a freelancer, its near impossible to move to another EU country.

In France or Spain you could set up a business entity or as an 'autonomo' to work as a freelancer. You would have to pay taxes and social charges (and for private health insurance until able to join the state system) and possibly fees to an accountant or gestor. Depending on whether what you consider a good income is enough to fulfil the criteria for all who want to move, and to pay for the above and all your living expenses, of course.

Yes but nothing has been done about illegal mass migration INTO the UK, which is the main issue people voted for, IMO. Its got worse.

We haven't considered those countries as they are too far, we want to be nearby as our parents are getting older.

Paying autonomo in Spain puts you in the healthcare system but you are still advised to have private cover as its better.

Spanish autonomo is insane. Its 350e pm for 2000-2900 (I believe) euro income per month, the taxes would be roughly 550 and then you have gestor/accountant fees so you lose about a grand a month.

We have been looking at an Eastern European country instead but the visa criteria is still the same.

“Tho wouldn't put it past labour to get in bed with Russians!!!”

Don’t be ludicrous.

Oh God yeah! Can you imagine ifvStarmer made some Russian Oligarch a member if the House of Lords or something? Or delayed sanctions against Rusdia when they invade another gou try so his mates could move their money? Imagine that!

That's a little disingenuous. Labour would never have called a referendum. This was Cameron's big mistake and was mainly ushered in by the likes of Johnson and Gove lying through their teeth.