If Labour get in, will they reverse Brexit?

[VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget]

I have no idea, so is it possible/likely?

I'm specifically thinking about free movement within Europe. At the moment its very hard to get a visa to move, permanently move, anywhere in the EU.

Thats not what I want to do.

I want to move, with proper residency, to another EU country and pay my taxes and NI in my country of residence.

But now, since Brexit, its near impossible to do.

In that case you'd have to set yourself up as an auto entrepreneur in France, you'd need a business case in order to get a resident's permit in the first place and you'd have to pay an awful lot of taxes and social security contributions and do an absolutely mind blowing amount of paperwork to be allowed to do that. And I think you'd have to do a language test.

I don't want to move to France.

@VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget - why don't you move to Ireland. You don't need a visa as there's a reciprocal agreement with the UK, so you're entitled to live and work there. After five years you can get residency and an EU passport.

I'm just giving it as an example.

You'd have to do your research about wherever you do want to move to.

But the days of easy movement are sadly over.

Because the weather, and life, is just as shit there, no doubt.

Plus they are having their own problems with uncontrolled illegal immigration, what I'm hearing about life in Ireland isn't good.

I have.

And I know that.

Where do you want to move to?

Can you get an EU passport with residency or do you need to wait 10 years for the citizenship test? If its like anywhere else you aren't eligible for a passport or citizenship until the 10 year mark.

And just having residency and an EU ID card doesn't allow you to transfer to another EU country, you have to start the process again from scratch.

Once a citizen, you have free movement.

Bulgaria

Much to the disgust and dismay of the Remainers, no WAY will we rejoin the EU. (Even if Labour get in.)

5 years from what I've read.

We will rejoin the EU eventually in some format because the problems being outside it are simply too great.

Most people now have realised it was a mistake, going by the polls.

But we will never get such a good deal again, and it will take a very, very long time.

The two years we spent messing about allowed the ERG to start dictating terms and a bunch of staunch remain politicians to dig their heels in and not accept anything other than staying in. Had A50 been triggered sooner, it would have stopped a lot of this and perhaps our childish politicians might have worked towards getting the best deal they could for our country. What happened instead was a complete shambles.

Leaving the EU could never be anything but a shambles - by its very nature. That’s what many people didn’t understand. The deal we got is the best we could have done and that’s because only a shit deal was possible. Had we left sooner it would have been an even bigger shambles.

Thats because they treat it all like a game. None of anything they do really affects them, unless its something they are bringing in for their benefit.

I think Labour will be keen to negotiate something with the EU, and vice-versa.

What do you mean by something?

Charming.

Well, that's the Tories all over.

Correct.

You would have to move somewhere, stay long enough to satisfy the residency requirements to apply for citizenship, then once you had citizenship you would have regained your free movement and be able to move elsewhere.

I think it's worth thinking about what exactly it is you want to do, and why.

If it's just about getting an EU passport so you can move around wherever, you'd need to identify which countries you could get a visa to live in, and then work out which of them have the quickest and easiest route to citizenship.

Either way, unless you have a LOT of money, I don't think there's a route to citizenship which wouldn't require you to commit to staying in one country for a long time.

And that rather begs the question, why? Why stay somewhere for a long time and go to all the trouble of getting citizenship just to be able to leave again and go to other places? Would you not expect to put down any roots in that country in the meantime? Having spent however many years there, can you not see yourself feeling settled enough to want to stay?

A closer trade deal?

Reciprocal visa arrangements?

Who knows. It's a possibility.

‘would the EU even want us back?’

well, we still have more money and a better economy than most of the members, especially the new ones.

But if it does happen, it won't be quick, so the OP would be better off just moving to Ireland and starting the residency clock ticking.

You're forgetting that the decision would be in the hands of the same kind of people who voted for Brexit, only in other countries.