If Labour get in, will they reverse Brexit?

[VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget]

I have no idea, so is it possible/likely?

I'm specifically thinking about free movement within Europe. At the moment its very hard to get a visa to move, permanently move, anywhere in the EU.

With respect, you say this as if there is a button one could push to just go back to how it was. There is no such button.

When we left, we set in train a set of events that can never be undone. Per the above posts, we could apply to rejoin, however there are no guarantees that we would be accepted. If we were, it would be under very different terms.

The damage is done, and irreversible.

The autonomo and taxes aren't my issue, my issue is that you can only really move abroad to Europe if you have a passive income, are retired or can buy at the level they set their golden visa at, and golden visa's are on their way out too apparently.

We can no longer just fill in the forms and move. We have to meet visa requirements, which most don't.

@VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget and these were all advertised as risks of Brexit.

So, out of curiosity, is the purpose of your thread to work out whether there is a chance for you to move to a different EU country without having to meet visa requirements?

If so, I'm afraid you're out of luck.

I don't believe it was made as clear as it should or could have been. All I saw was stuff about how much, 50k per week, we pay to the EU and the arguments about illegal immigration and all the remainers calling leavers stupid.

If the government would have said they will actually do something about the flood of illegals without us leaving the EU, we might not have got the result we did.

Which forms, out of interest?

And if Brexit had never happened and you could still just move, how would you earn a living in the new country (as you say you don't have a passive income)?

On the Russia thing in pp i don’t think that is the case however they will continue to push people movement ie trafficking as a tool for disruption

The countries who can work out what to do will be more immune to that strain socially and politically

No. I've looked in to it, as the visa criteria stands, we can't, until we draw pension. Unless we go under investments criteria, which we are now looking in to.

I wanted to know what was in the OP, would labour reverse Brexit.

@VeryGoodVeryNiceChickenNugget it was - unless you fell for the leave lies.

I work fully remotely.

I don't know the names of the forms as there are several. But residency forms. Previously, essentially all you had to do was submit the forms, get health cover, have an address and a specified amount in the bank.

Now you have to fall into a category for a visa before you can even apply for residency.

No. The money markets wouldn't tolerate us moving to the Euro, and that would be a condition..

There would have to be a referendum first and I suspect it would be too close to call. Plus we would never be offered the same terms we had before so it would be seen as a political failure.

You're absolutely right. If the government had sorted out the high immigration issue, most people wouldn't have voted for brexit.

Agree with others that we wouldn’t get most of our previous special conditions and opt-outs back if we rejoined, but I don’t think we’d have to join the Euro. There are a lot of advantages to a trading block having two strong currencies, and the rest of Europe aren’t as stubborn and sentimental about currency as us. They’d make a big deal about it being a “concession” to us that actually suited them quite well. Just as they would have done about blue bloody passports if we’d asked back then.

Getting residency would have been easier, yes.

But you still would have had to pay taxes and social charges in whatever country you moved to. It's jokingly known as the rule of bum - where you sit is where you pay tax.

And your clients / employer would have needed to be happy for you to work in another country, even if within the EU.

Corbyn did not campaign effectively for remain; and on the morning after the election he declared that we should call Article 50 (and begin the process of leaving) straight away. This would have caused chaos.

I obviously know we would have to pay tax and NI, thats not my issue. Spain's is exceptionally high though.

My company is fully remote and has people all over the world. I'm a contractor already. It makes no difference to them.

It's not always as simple as that.

In France the rule is that if you are working whilst physically in France, you are considered to be employed in France. That means your employer should be registered with the French authorities and should be paying social security contributions for you, and you should be paying your taxes in France.

If you are in France and you are working and you have not done these things, what you are doing is technically illegal.

If you're only doing it on a casual basis then yes, in all likelihood there will be no consequences. But if you actually wanted to live in France that wouldn't be possible. Because to get residency you would have to explain where your income was coming from. And if it was coming from overseas employment that would be a no go unless it was all done properly.

If your company was willing to set you up properly as a French employee then it could work. But if it's more that they just dont mind where you're logging in from, it wouldn't.

@bluelavender
as opposed to fannying around for 2 years and then triggering Article 50 still with no clue as to what leaving would look like. At least triggering it the day after the vote would have focused minds and stopped the ERG headbangers from getting a toehold.

We aren't employees, we are mostly all (there a couple of PAYE) self-employed contractors and we invoice the company.

It was David fuckwit smug cunt Cameron who did it

There was no plan on how to leave. Even after spending a few years on it we didn't exactly get it right!

They will drop many hints they will or outright say it but it wont happen

With politicians of any background - they will say something if it gets them into office, IMO

Germany was 0.3% though, so not all countries within the eurozone are the same.

OK, so you have your answer for that too I guess. Unfortunately, reversing to revert to where we were is not an option.

It is hypothetical at this point, however you would need to set up a company in the country you became resident in and either invoice your existing company for them to onward invoice your employer, or invoice your employer direct from the new company set up in your country of residence.

You wouldn't be able to live in one country and just operate your business from the UK as if you lived here. Not for long anyway.