How girls and women dress in western countries *MNHQ adding content warning for SA as requested*

[Hadmysay]

It's an interesting conversation

www.tiktok.com/@danielle90sbaby/video/7501747121238936854

www.tiktok.com/@meetthealis/video/7503903907920317718. Is this unfeminist to feel like this or do they have a point?

I think you're the deluded one. Go and travel and see for yourself. I'm done entertaining you now.
You clearly are ignorant and think all of these poor Muslim women must be oppressed so why are we still debating?
I'm done.

That's a study from almost 20 years ago.
We are in 2025 now.
A lot has changed

That’s the whole fucking point why your rules /laws wouldn’t work. Men will still do what they want to do , just find different excuses .

Don't swear at me watch your mouth.
And just because something wouldn't be perfect doesn't mean it wouldn't work much better than it's working now.

The lions den
. Again fight for your right to dress like hookers like it does anything positive for women.
Carry on.

You are not providing evidence you are cherry picking data and essentially giving your opinion. Rates of reporting in these countries are low because women can face legal and social consequences that are often very serious for reporting. I base my prior statement on UN and NGO estimates and my own experiences as a clinical social worker within domestic violence and multi cultural populations specifically with women and families for over 20 years. As far as I'm concerned my anecdotal evidence is as good as your straw man arguments.

If you keep posting this because you are a black woman, as a fellow black woman, that makes me sad.

Get off the internet and go read a book.

Yes you did. You stated that you never once said that all countries where women cover up are safe, and you emphasised that it depends on the country.

That's a pretty clear acknowledgement that covering up doesn't actually make women safe. If it did make them safe, then that effect would be consistent across all countries where covering up was the norm.

But you have zero evidence to support your claim that there would be less sexual assault and rape in England and America if women covered up more.

Your argument seems to be that, in the West, rape and sexual assault are caused by women not covering up. But in countries where women do cover up, rape and sexual assault are apparently caused by different factors.

The only consistent thing here is that rape and sexual assault happen everywhere, whether women cover up or not. And that's because misogynistic men feel entitled to rape and assault women regardless of how they dress, and they will use any excuse to justify their actions.

Sadly, I think you're right that nothing will change, because I don't see misogyny and male entitlement disappearing any time soon. Where we differ is that I don't agree with you that limiting women's freedom is a solution. Quite the contrary, in fact...I think women are less safe in countries where their freedom is restricted.

You've never been entertaining, dont worry. It hasn't been much of a debate and the human rights situation in Kuwait is very well known. I'm not sure who you think you're fooling.

Nobody was swearing at you. The poster was swearing in general. This is allowed on Mumsnet. If you can't handle it, don't post here.
Your random on YouTube videos are not evidence. Stop pretending they are.

Oh, so men can change their behaviour? Or did the children stop dressing provocatively?

Oh snap yes I agree it can sometimes protect women where as walking around half naked almost never does.

Asks for evidence,gets given evidence,won't accept evidence.
Next time don't ask for evidence if you don't want to accept it.

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This makes no sense? You are only agreeing with yourself.

I still think we need to ask ourselves as women why we want to dress “slutty” in the first place.

Can you provide evidence to back that up please?

I would suggest that you give some deep thought to your use of the word 'slutty', because it is a deeply misogynist term.

Ok, well I wonder why we need to dress that way in the first place. 😳

Because sometimes we want to. No further explanation is necessary. My DD dresses like that sometimes when she goes clubbing with friends. It's boiling in clubs. She looks great. She enjoys it. It's not that deep. You like to dress conservatively, other women like to dress wild. Neither choice is better than the other.

The word 'slutty' comes laden with judgement about the woman's character and morals, and that is why it is offensive.

Personally I don’t want to normalise that kind of dressing, I wouldn’t want to perpetuate a stereotype. And I don’t think it looks great. Let’s agree to disagree.

I am happy for us to disagree, but the fact that you defend passing moral judgement on other women solely based on how they choose to dress for a night out makes me think less of you.

No.

If we go by the OPs yapping, beaches would be like the last days of Rome. Men, unable to control themselves at the sight of skin, would be assaulting everyone in sight.

Indeed. Almost like it's complete nonsense.

Setting aside your use of the misogynist term "slutty", I don't actually want to dress in revealing clothes at all. I also don't want to go around wearing the hijab or the niqab.

My own choice of clothes is irrelevant. What I want is the freedom for all women to choose how they want to dress. Whether that means wearing skimpy outfits or covering themselves from head to toe. It isn't anyone else's business.

Yes. Rape is caused by rapists, nothing else.
Upon seeing a scantily clad drunk reveller, any decent guy would look out for them and help them, not rape them.