How girls and women dress in western countries *MNHQ adding content warning for SA as requested*

[Hadmysay]

It's an interesting conversation

www.tiktok.com/@danielle90sbaby/video/7501747121238936854

www.tiktok.com/@meetthealis/video/7503903907920317718. Is this unfeminist to feel like this or do they have a point?

@Hadmysay I hope this post makes you realise how utterly appalling your comments are.

1 in 4 women have suffered some type of sexual assault as an adult and I include myself in that statistic.

Even as a lifelong feminist, when that happened to me I questioned whether I’d been a bit too friendly, or flirtatious and given my abuser the wrong impression…

Women eat themselves up inside because of ill-informed, ignorant ideas and comments like yours. I really hope you don’t have daughters.

Your posts are vile and you should be ashamed; but on the positive, on here at least, you are very much on your own with your backwards women-hating vitriol.

Where's your evidence? You're the one making the claim so that's your responsibility. Others aren't obligated to try to prove a negative.

OP thinks Tik Tok convos between randoms recorded for YouTube are evidence, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything more substantial.

Plus there is also no amount of evidence to the contrary which is going to change her mind. Unreasoning prejudices are like that.

Predators will target victims who are vulnerable in some way or victims they have access to. That’s it. What they wear is irrelevant .
I prefer the lions den analogy.

Just dont do it.

It’s a stupid fucking analogy, but of course you would. Not only does it completely absolve men by comparing them to wild animals , it puts all the blame and responsibility firmly at women’s feet.

Nevermind the irony of the “message” coming from a heavily made up, fake hair, skintight top wearing woman.

@Hadmysay

I had a look at one of those tiktoks. You’re using the content and preaching of someone who dresses like this. The sheer hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance

Well that's stupid.

Not to mention that in the real world, lions are stuck in cages in zoos or in safari parks...

So there's the solution then - we lock up men!

I don't actually want to watch any of the bullshit tiktoks but I'm reporting this thread now because I'm starting to wonder whether OP iis actually just on the wind-up.

Modesty is an oppressive construct invented by patriarchal males to keep women small and locked away.

So what is brainwashing women into thinking in order to be attractive you have to appease the male gaze(perverted males btw) and walk around half naked and show everyone your body?
That the only way a wonan will will get respected is by showing everyone everything.
That to go out and have fun (even in a cold country like england) you have to wear less clothes.
if you ask me that's patriachy in itself.

But being "free" and having your freedom/freedumb leads to oppression as well so where do we go from here?
Do we as women keep oppressing ourselves contributing to paedophilia,objectification,rape culture and allowing perverted men to view us as disposable commodities or do we say to the idiots that want to oversexualize themselves and think women should be allowed to oversexualize themselves for a feminist point that we have to leave you behind to protect the majority of women?
Because I'm fully on board leaving the minority of women behind and letting them be oppressed by forbidding them to dress like hookers if it leads to better outcomes for the majority of women compared to the minority

OP do you think there os less rape and violence against women in Iran or Afghanistan than Switzerland or Sweden? (As examples)

You judging what other women wear

We all judge people.
Especially by how they dress.
To pretend otherwise is a lie.
If you see someone dressed as a police officer you will assume they are a police officer.

I think that's more the culture there than anything to do with clothing though tbf. They're much worse when they come to western countries. Look at the 1200 sexual assaults in one evening on that NYE in Germany. And the fact that about 70% of sexual assaults in London are now committed by foreign nationals despite them being a minority.

Send them to me then

Some yes some no.
In the uk 100 percent yes I do believe that the muslim community and also if you go to stamford hill the orthodox jewish community experience these things less.
Also people underestimate the power of having a family unit and a father in the home.
A lot of men unfortunately might not respect a woman but will respect a potential punch in the face from an angry father or even worse if you take his daughters honor but that's a whole other debate.
Although it can go too far sometimes.
Honor killings happen unfortunately and although rare I can't condone them.

Tbf I think men definitely need to change as well but so do women.

Walking around half naked,appeasing to the male perverted gaze,the fact that the majority of secondary school children in this country are wearing super short miniskirts to school,i think its extremely unhealthy for men to be seeing constant sexualized images of children who are wearing their skirts like hookers,hook up culture as well. There's loads. That's what I mean by unhealthy behavior

No trauma at all.
My views are from meeting many victims of abuse,knowing the history of certain parts of feminism in the second wave,travelling the world ,knowing a hell of a lot of people and knowing men. A lot of men. A lot of women in general tbf ive always been a people person but yes I know about men. I know what they are like. Something which most women don't.
The thing is men know how men are which is why they tell us certain things. To not sleep around,to not dress provocatively yes because they know what other men are like lol.

Iran possibly Afghanistan no.
Do I think there's less rape in kuwait and qatar than the uk and usa 100 million percent yes

Look at the 1200 sexual assaults in one evening on that NYE in Germany

Which was proven to be a lie

You say it's a majority, but you have no statistics which back it up. It most likely isn't a majority wearing micro minis to school. You think it is because of confirmation bias. You don't take notice of the number of girls not wearing them, but you do notice the ones who are, so therefore you think it's a majority. If you want your belief to be proven true you'll look for ways to confirm it. Confirmation bias is very common and you aren't even going to be aware you're trying to prove yourself right.

When you say hook up culture, I'm getting the impression that you think sex is unhealthy if it's not in the confines of a committed relationship.

I agree it's not healthy for men to ogle young girls and that applies no matter how they're dressed. That's on the men. It's their unhealthy behaviour. The girls are not responsible.

Many people need to change in many ways. The problem is that no matter what changes women make to their behaviour, it still isn't going to stop rape. Only men changing their behaviour can affect that. Can we at least agree on that?
Are you aware that some of the people in this thread have experienced sexual assault? They see you repeatedly insisting that they caused it with the way they were dressed, which must be very hurtful to them. So maybe it's time to give it a rest.

Even if what you are saying was true , considering stranger rape is 15% , you are in fact catering to a minority(of men), by oppressing the majority(of women).Dressing modestly will have no impact on partner rape or family rape or acquaintance rape. These men already know the women and children as individuals, any objectification and dehumanisation that happens to justify their actions, would happen regardless.