Manscreaming

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Anyone else sick of this? I’ve never seen a woman do it.

Example 1 - 2 men on our (quiet, residential) street on opposite sides of the road are having a ‘conversation’. Only they’re not, they’re bellowing across the road to each other (with fuck or shit being every other word) for a good 10 minutes. Because it’s much more manly to stay where you are and scream like a nutter than it is to cross the road and talk like a normal person.

Example 2 - on a bus the other day, woman opposite me chatting quietly on her mobile. Bloke behind me picks his up and literally shouts down it - ‘HI KEV YOU ALRIGHT! YEAH IM ON THE BUS! YEAH FUCKING FREEZING ISNT IT! DID YOU HEAR ABOUT SO AND SO? YEAH WHAT A CUNT’ blah blah blah

Could probably come up with a new example every few days!

Just shut up you sad man nobody cares or is impressed with your stupid vocal cords

The thing is you know you have hearing loss and so have adjusted accordingly. While men are twice as likely to have hearing loss than women, they are also half as likely to realise they have hearing loss. This behaviour usually happens by people who are unaware they have hearing loss.

Except you are forgetting seat sizes have been shrinking while the population has been getting physically larger due to obesity.

So, no I don’t agree it is always a choice. Shrinking seat sizes disproportionately affects the larger of the sexes which are men. Plenty of men don’t need to because seats are not yet child sized, so smaller men are likely to fit within the allotted space.

The reason why larger men are more likely to encroach on the allotted space of a woman next to them, is because, in general, due to biology women don’t need as much space as larger men. So space is more likely to be available for both to sit comfortably, if people don’t get all territorial.

When it’s men next to men, there is much less likelihood is any available space and so often neither of them can sit comfortably. This is due to lack of space, not fear of confrontation as you allege.

This is basic physics really.

I don't get why manspreading is sometimes justified as okay because its more comfortable for men

Manspreading is about men making themselves more comfortable at the expense of the person sitting next to themselves comfort

So many times on the bus I have ended up twisted in my seat because of the man sat next to me, and then that flares my back problems up. So their short term comfort is prioritised over my comfort

And after years on public transport I will say anecdotally that men who have their legs spread are much more likely to reduce the spread and make more room if a man sits down next to them than if a woman sits down next to them.

Interestingly due to womens wider pelvises it's actually more comfortable for us to sit with our legs apart but apparently generations of socialisation have meant that we are also capable of sharing space more equitably.

As for men performatively having conversations at the top of their voices I have observed this too. I think for some men they just perceive those around them as their audience, so of course we want to hear what they have to say, because they are the main character in their lives so their words should be interesting to all their audience.

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Got it.

Now smaller men don't need to man spread.
The men who don't man spread must have teenie tiny genitals

But the large men with big manly genitals have no choice but to get into someone else's personal space because their manly comfort take priority over the comfort and personal space of anyone else.

And women who object to random men in their personal space are being 'territorial'.

(Side note that plenty of entirely reasonable men of all shapes and sizes manage to go through life without showing zero regard for women's personal space).

It's a bit weird to think people wanting their personal space respecting is unreasonable, whilst arguing it's totally fine for some men to get into strangers' personal space.

But physics innit. 😂

I swear fucking loads.

But not on the bus, and definitely not screaming it down the phone as part of a normal conversation.

I tend to only swear in front of people who are not offended by swearing and who swear themselves.

I don't rev my car, wolf-whistle, tell anyone to cheer up and smile or walk around with my top off in public.

I am a woman.

Are calendars with tits still a thing?
You've almost made my nostalgic for them....those were more innocent days, even though at the time I thought it was low...Now it's porn being watched in the playground in primary schools

No silly. Its because men ae visual creatures. This is because in prehistoric times they did all the hunting etc while the women stayed home in the cave so they needed to be able to spot woolly mammoths**. Nowadays there are no woolly mammoths but men still have an innate primal need to exercise their peripheral vision. The presence of boobs on a wall does this.

**But woolly mammoths being huge never hid behind anything obviously. Hence men's inability to find something if its hidden behind anything else.

Although re the finding things aspect - it may well be the case that NAMALTJMP

The thing is you know you have hearing loss and so have adjusted accordingly. While men are twice as likely to have hearing loss than women, they are also half as likely to realise they have hearing loss. This behaviour usually happens by people who are unaware they have hearing loss.

Unless there has been a massive hearing loss epidemic among most of the men where we live, across all age groups & ethnicities, I'm going with men tend to shout more than women. Why bellow across the street at each other than move closer?

I love how with the shouting example it was all "its hearing loss, look at the science, look at the sata, you are ignoring the science' and then with menspreading it's all 'ooh they've got a penis dearie'. Like yes, we know, we are complaining about bepenised people after all 🙄Apparently scientific data only matters until it doesn't

ConfusedNT
But... Physics...

I heard that some men have to tell women to cheer up or smile darling because they're actually empaths from their time being head of hunter gatherer tribes where they lookedafter women. Unfortunately mean modern society doesn't value their unique skill of identifying other people's deep emotional needs, and women need to appreciate it more when strange men offer unsolicited emotional support.

Ah yes, I always feel so emotionally supported when being told to 'smile love' especially that one time when I didn't smile and was called a frigid bitch, I felt so entirely emotionally supported 😂

I would however love to see the scientific study that backs up the assertion that men who manspread the most have the bigger penises and men who are more respectful of women's space have smaller penises

From my own modest sample size personal study I would say this is complete tosh myself

While we're being silly, did you know the loudest human recorded (Guinness book of records) is a woman from Belfast, and she beat the previous record holder, another woman 😂
I'm sure no conclusions can be drawn from that.

Ah yes, I always feel so emotionally supported when being told to 'smile love' especially that one time when I didn't smile and was called a frigid bitch, I felt so entirely emotionally supported

I'm glad you felt supported. It's important that you learn to accept a legitimate concern about your sexual wellbeing.

Some men care a lot about women's sexual wellbeing, which is why they can't help make uninvited sexual comments towards women. They simply care about us wimmen.

MademoiselleTrunchbull You're comparing anger at male entitlement and lack of consideration for other people's spaces -on a feminist forum- to complaints about black kids being kids or annoyance over old/fat people making normal human noises....I don't see the likeness.

there is no evidence muslims are more homophobic than any other group maybe? So that's just unfounded prejudice.

No evidence aside from them actually stating that they believe homosexuality should be illegal and gay people shouldn't be allowed to teach. Apology accepted in advance. 😉

Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds

Extensive polling conducted by ICM suggests that in most cases attitudes held by the British Muslim population do not broadly differ from those held by the population at large, but there are significant differences when it comes to some issues such as homosexuality and women’s rights.

When asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain, 18% said they agreed and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

But I won't derail any further as men talking loudly is a much bigger problem than rampant homophobia and the erosion of women's rights.

39% agreed that “wives should always obey their husbands”, compared with 5% of the country as a whole.

Another good one.

I just don't get why it's so taboo to challenge these kind of outdated, sexist views but perfectly fine to criticise every little thing men do. If I had to guess it is probably the sheep mentality whereby people blindly follow the rhetoric they've ingested - men = oppressive, ethic minorities = above criticism, etc.

I thought you weren't going to derail any further...

I won't, let's get back to the topic.

I really don't want to see self ID make it into England, but you can be sure that when it does we'll be hearing a lot about protected characteristics.

If any of the posters on this thread should end up in front of a work tribunal for complaining about sharing facilities with men, let's just hope that the people in charge of proceedings take these protected characteristics more seriously than those in this thread.

What are you talking about? You sound unhinged

I believe the general idea seems to be that we are not allowed to moan about potentially sexist behaviour unless we are also out there complaining about racism and homophobia at the same time and probably preferably first

And over on another thread where the subject of domestic violence has come up, it is sad but apparently not as important as male suicide.

I believe it would be a mixture of the following two rules of misogyny:

1. Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.

12. Women’s ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.

I believe the general idea seems to be that we are not allowed to moan about potentially sexist behaviour unless we are also out there complaining about racism and homophobia at the same time and probably preferably first

Not at all.

The point I'm making is that this lazy stereotyping would be seen as bigotry against almost any other demographic.

Also that lots of feminists are very quick to argue that their sex and gc beliefs are protected characteristics and can't be discriminated against, but don't seem to have an issue discriminating against other protected characteristics.

Not being particularly PC I probably wouldn't care much, but sexist rhetoric is so much more hypocritical coming from those who claim to fight against sexism.

Hmm yes because speaking out about keeping rapists out of women's prisons is so on the same level as moaning about men shouting. And men will obviously come up against the same level of fear and potential aggression as a result

Bur hey don't let a good bit of whataboutery go to waste