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Manscreaming

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Cuppasoupmonster · 26/01/2023 12:45

Anyone else sick of this? I’ve never seen a woman do it.

Example 1 - 2 men on our (quiet, residential) street on opposite sides of the road are having a ‘conversation’. Only they’re not, they’re bellowing across the road to each other (with fuck or shit being every other word) for a good 10 minutes. Because it’s much more manly to stay where you are and scream like a nutter than it is to cross the road and talk like a normal person.

Example 2 - on a bus the other day, woman opposite me chatting quietly on her mobile. Bloke behind me picks his up and literally shouts down it - ‘HI KEV YOU ALRIGHT! YEAH IM ON THE BUS! YEAH FUCKING FREEZING ISNT IT! DID YOU HEAR ABOUT SO AND SO? YEAH WHAT A CUNT’ blah blah blah

Could probably come up with a new example every few days!

Just shut up you sad man nobody cares or is impressed with your stupid vocal cords

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TBOM · 27/01/2023 00:52

To be fair, I see women doing this just as much round where I live. Including the hyena laughing, standing across the street from each other bellowing, and punctuation swearing. So whilst it may be more prevalent in men, it’s not exclusively male behaviour by any means. I live right by a primary school and OMG the noise at school drop off and pick up time has to be heard to be believed. Including the swearing (and I’m very fond of a good swear!). I’m also near a pub with a large beer garden which seems to be extremely popular with groups of women in the summer. I have the landlord on speed dial so I can ask him to tell them to shut up sometimes 😂

Onnabugeisha · 27/01/2023 00:57

Well said @MademoiselleTrunchbull
Have a nice night.

Rebel2023 · 27/01/2023 01:03

The groups of lads who live near me do this (the kind dressed in black, puffa jackets, gloves etc when it's 20c outside)
They bellow so loudly. Was making a brew last week with my dad visiting and they were outside. I have double glazing and you could hear every word to the point my dad went "what on earth??!"
They also can't hold their phone to their ear so every conversation is them bellowing down the speaker Confused
The similar ages groups of girls don't do it

SammyScrounge · 27/01/2023 02:58

On a train journey, a woman and her son
(about 4 years old) sat opposite me. I settled down to read my book. She produced one too and commenced reading it to her child. She had a shrill grating voice and incredible volume and it was impossible to ignore her squawking and concentrate on my own book,
especially when she imitated the animal noises in the story.
Her son wasn't even interested. He sat there and kicked his legs up and down under the table between us droning a little song to himself while she shrilled about the pigs (oink oink))in the stye and the cows (moo moo) in the byre and the horses (neigh neigh) in the stables.
I was just about screaming at her when the man in the seat behind her suddenly loomed over the top of his seat and snarled, "STFU". She was getting ready to protest but I shook my head and told her quietly to let it go. He stayed kneeling up in his seat looking down at her and there was peace.
So It's not always men who are too loud.

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 27/01/2023 03:46

In a very odd way, it feels like you have been manscreamed at on your own thread, OP. Yes, it is annoying and obvious. 🤣💐

LolaSmiles · 27/01/2023 07:43

SammyScrounge
That type of performance parenting is annoying. I agree with you.

It's not that only men are loud though, but there a certain type of loudness that is more of a male pattern behaviour.

In your example, most woman or a less manscreamy man would have just spoken to the woman.

This:
when the man in the seat behind her suddenly loomed over the top of his seat and snarled, "STFU". She was getting ready to protest but I shook my head and told her quietly to let it go. He stayed kneeling up in his seat looking down at her and there was peace.
is unpleasant male pattern behaviour.

Most women and a lot of men would not tell a woman and her child to "STFU".
Most women and a lot of men would not lean over a seat to loom over towards an unknown woman and her child.
Most women and a lot of men would not remain kneeling up on a seat to look down on a woman and her child to check she got the message and was doing what the angry man says

Cuppasoupmonster · 27/01/2023 07:54

Onnabugeisha · 27/01/2023 00:36

It is a well known fact that untreated hearing loss causes people to talk louder and to be spoken to louder than the normal volume level.

You are wondering why do some men talk so loud? Well, I’ve presented the evidence that men are twice as likely to be suffering from hearing loss. Ergo, men are twice as likely to be speaking more loudly than the normal volume level.

Hearing loss is actually very common, I linked the evidence which you obviously haven’t even bothered to look at. You’d have to prove your few anecdotes represent a disproportionate number of men talking loudly…which is impossible even if it was not very common.

You have presented no evidence whatsoever to support your assertion men talk loudly because “Men just like to display ‘dominant’ behaviour in public because they need to feel important and alpha.” Youve only said “in my experience” as evidence. Which is a bit odd really because how would you know that what men like or feel causes this behaviour if you are a woman? You have no idea if they are talking loudly because they want to feel important and so on.

And now you’re literally fabricating data…
who are then perfectly able to hold conversations at a normal pitch when required I mean, that’s a desperate act right there to start making shit up to suit your narrative.

And this, ladies is what happens when you try to have a light hearted conversation about irritating male behaviour! Demands for ‘evidence’, assertions they’re all deaf, and finally accused of ‘making shit up’ Grin deary me, it’s tiring being female isn’t it

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Cuppasoupmonster · 27/01/2023 07:58

Just so your entire ranting falls apart like a snot filled tissue @Onnabugeisha hearing loss in the general population is no higher in men than in women. Have a nice dayyy Grin

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4264521/#__ffn_sectitle

Manscreaming
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Beamur · 27/01/2023 08:03

😂
I thought it was meant to be a light hearted thread too!
The irony...

Cuppasoupmonster · 27/01/2023 08:09

Oh men can’t possibly be doing something annoying without some lame excuse being brought up. I look forward to you ‘men shout things at women because theyre more likely to have Tourette’s’ and ‘men are more likely to have calendars with tits on them because theyre more likely study anthropology’.

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LolaSmiles · 27/01/2023 08:11

And this, ladies is what happens when you try to have a light hearted conversation about irritating male behaviour!
I'd like to say I'm surprised that a light hearted thread went this way, but seeing how often some women tell women who are struggling with unpleasant male behaviour they need to consider the man might have undiagnosed medical issues, the man needs a blood test, the man needs to speak to a GP, maybe he's neurodiverse, but what about this, what about that, it's not surprising.

Some women will go at great lengths to minimise and excuse male pattern behaviour and make it women's job to be a bit nicer/centre the man more.

Patanat · 27/01/2023 08:23

Completely agree about the train story, Lola. I was expecting that anecdote to shift to something about unacceptable male aggression. Totally OTT way to deal with the situation.

Cuppasoupmonster · 27/01/2023 08:29

It’s ok PP will find a study that shows men are more likely to have rabies and therefore become aggressive.

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Onnabugeisha · 27/01/2023 08:40

Cuppasoupmonster · 27/01/2023 07:58

Just so your entire ranting falls apart like a snot filled tissue @Onnabugeisha hearing loss in the general population is no higher in men than in women. Have a nice dayyy Grin

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4264521/#__ffn_sectitle

Lol, you don’t even understand what the study is showing. The study goes through the various risk factors for hearing loss and assesses the impact of each one as an independent variable.

The study was measuring the impact of each risk factor. It doesn’t show that hearing loss is less prevalent among men, but that males are not at any higher risk simply for being male.

I’ll put it in simple terms, all the study shows is that the higher rates of hearing loss in men isn’t due to having a penis, it’s due to the other risk factors such as being more likely to be working in noisy environments- construction, military, factories and so on.

MademoiselleTrunchbull · 27/01/2023 08:42

In a very odd way, it feels like you have been manscreamed at on your own thread, OP. Yes, it is annoying and obvious.

And this, ladies is what happens when you try to have a light hearted conversation about irritating male behaviour!

Are these not what we'd usually call DARVO tactics/reversal?

I'm not taking the side of the men. These type of threads just reek a bit of "I don't have a problem with men but..."

I just feel like this type of casual bashing wouldn't be deemed acceptable against any other demographic, but gets ignored because people on here are so accustomed to it.

Anyway, I've beat my drum enough.

Cuppasoupmonster · 27/01/2023 08:45

@Onnabugeisha yawn

@MademoiselleTrunchbull awwww poor men, maybe the reason other demographics don’t get bashed is because theyre not as likely to randomly scream obscenities in public like a lunatic? Just a thought!

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Underanothersky · 27/01/2023 08:49

Strange, my husband is completely deaf in one ear and has never felt the need to bellow from afar at other men. He's very softly spoken and if anything tends to mumble.

But yes I hate this behaviour and it is mostly men. It's like a favourite Sunday afternoon pastime round here

Scalottia · 27/01/2023 08:49

I have experienced both men and women doing this. But I can't say that it bothers me enough that I would start a thread on it. Some posters on here are looking for any opportunity to have a go at men. They really seem to occupy your mind rent-free, don't they?

Underanothersky · 27/01/2023 08:50

Scalottia · 27/01/2023 08:49

I have experienced both men and women doing this. But I can't say that it bothers me enough that I would start a thread on it. Some posters on here are looking for any opportunity to have a go at men. They really seem to occupy your mind rent-free, don't they?

It's incredibly irritating and distracting when it goes on for hours outside your house.

DolphinNosePotato1 · 27/01/2023 08:51

Yep. Was feeling quite frazzled after a week of DH working away and being on my own with 3 little ones so when he got back I went for a coffee and cake by myself with a magazine I’ve been trying to read and never getting the chance for about a month. I enjoyed about 5 mins of peace before this stupid man came in and started bellowing down his phone. A whole coffee shop of people and he was the only one I could hear. Literally couldn’t finish one article of my magazine he was so loud.

LolaSmiles · 27/01/2023 08:54

It feels like any thread discussing male pattern behaviour needs to have a disclaimer that's says:

This thread is going to be discussing male pattern behaviour. On a feminist topic it's likely that women are going to be observing trends that are exhibited by the male class of human beings. Feminists tend to be concerned with issues of class-based behaviour, structural oppression. Obviously the women posting on this topic are not be saying every single man that has ever walked planet earth has done everything that may or may not be discussed on this thread. Discussing male pattern behaviour is not man hating or man bashing.

Cuppasoupmonster · 27/01/2023 08:55

It’s always to other men as well like a strange dominance behaviour - I rarely see them bellowing at their girlfriends who are sat next to them, or screaming at the cashier when they order something. It’s always ‘manly conversations between men’ that require the silly volume.

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Cuppasoupmonster · 27/01/2023 08:56

LolaSmiles · 27/01/2023 08:54

It feels like any thread discussing male pattern behaviour needs to have a disclaimer that's says:

This thread is going to be discussing male pattern behaviour. On a feminist topic it's likely that women are going to be observing trends that are exhibited by the male class of human beings. Feminists tend to be concerned with issues of class-based behaviour, structural oppression. Obviously the women posting on this topic are not be saying every single man that has ever walked planet earth has done everything that may or may not be discussed on this thread. Discussing male pattern behaviour is not man hating or man bashing.

It’s a great disclaimer but won’t appease the male behaviour excuses who are desperate to chalk it up to ‘nasty, discriminating women’. No doubt the same posters regularly experience ‘racism against white people’ as well.

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Onnabugeisha · 27/01/2023 08:57

Its a well established statistic:
www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/statistics/quick-statistics-hearing
”Men are almost twice as likely as women to have hearing loss among adults aged 20-69”

www.audicus.com/hearing-loss-and-men/
“According to the National Institute on Deafness and other Communication Disorders, men are twice as likely to sustain hearing loss compared to women. This applies especially to men in the age range of 20 to 69. Part of this discrepancy between men and women may be due to occupational differences, where a higher percentage of men take jobs that expose them to excessive amounts of noise.”

I don’t think a sexist slagging off thread that is completely oblivious to an invisible disability that affects 1 in 4 working age men is “light hearted” in any way.

Otherwise I might as well start a threat on “female pattern behaviour” regarding women aged 40-60 and then claim the rage, mood swings, and forgetfulness are due to middle aged women being generally nasty and engaging in strategic incompetence. Im sure a poster might say, er, what about menopause? 1 in 4 women suffer these menopause symptoms during this age range, could that not be the cause of this “female pattern behaviour”? If I were like cuppasoup, I’d go lol, that’s laughable.

Cuppasoupmonster · 27/01/2023 08:59

So why don’t we generally see even half the number of women as men screaming obscenities in public? Out of all these posts only a couple have observed it in both sexes.

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