Manscreaming

[Cuppasoupmonster]

Anyone else sick of this? I’ve never seen a woman do it.

Example 1 - 2 men on our (quiet, residential) street on opposite sides of the road are having a ‘conversation’. Only they’re not, they’re bellowing across the road to each other (with fuck or shit being every other word) for a good 10 minutes. Because it’s much more manly to stay where you are and scream like a nutter than it is to cross the road and talk like a normal person.

Example 2 - on a bus the other day, woman opposite me chatting quietly on her mobile. Bloke behind me picks his up and literally shouts down it - ‘HI KEV YOU ALRIGHT! YEAH IM ON THE BUS! YEAH FUCKING FREEZING ISNT IT! DID YOU HEAR ABOUT SO AND SO? YEAH WHAT A CUNT’ blah blah blah

Could probably come up with a new example every few days!

Just shut up you sad man nobody cares or is impressed with your stupid vocal cords

None whatsoever. But then again, is there evidence men swear more frequently than women in casual conversations? Has OP only noticed conversations that are both loud and sweary?

Yes and why always ‘younger’ men ie 20-50? Surely hearing loss is more pronounced with age so why don’t we see 80 year olds screaming across the road?

Yes all have included swearing, which is the other half of why it annoys me - totally disrespectful to those around them, as well as the volume being annoying.

That’s actually the age range it happens
”According to the National Institute on Deafness and other Communication Disorders, men are twice as likely to sustain hearing loss compared to women. This applies especially to men in the age range of 20 to 69. Part of this discrepancy between men and women may be due to occupational differences, where a higher percentage of men take jobs that expose them to excessive amounts of noise.”
www.audicus.com/hearing-loss-and-men/

No that’s missing my point. Those men would go on to become even more hard of hearing 70/80 year olds wouldn’t they? So why don’t we see 70 year olds bellowing across the road? The fact you’re trying to chalk this up to hearing loss is laughable.

More info
”Construction workers and firefighters are more likely to experience hearing loss due to the noise level in their jobs, and on average there is a higher percentage of men in these fields.

Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSID), as well as acetaminophen and aspirin, may also be to blame, as these have been found to cause higher rates of hearing loss in men younger than 60. In fact, men ages 50 to 59 were 33 percent more likely to experience hearing loss than men that didn’t normally use aspirin.”

Aren’t construction workers usually a sweary lot?

Ok every single man discussed on this thread has been a construction worker who has suffered occupation-based hearing loss. I mean what are the odds?

You’re missing the evidence which shows that men sustain hearing loss especially from age 20 - 60. As in most of their hearing loss occurs during this age range. Not when they are 70/80.

Yes, I am familiar with you laughing in the face of scientific evidence.

But that isolated fact is completely unrelated to what we’re discussing, unless you can somehow assert that all the men discussed are either firefighters or construction workers who happened to be talking to other firefighters or construction workers that they happened to bump into, and both have suffered hearing loss.

It’s like saying men are more likely to wolf whistle at women because they’re more likely to have Tourette’s.

😂😂yes they remind me of gorillas. I don't get the top off thing. My DH knows it annoys me and does it for a joke (on a hot day, not in January) just to see me stress out. He will say "it's banter." 🙄

I'd say confirmation bias as the data we have on the matter indicates that women actually say 'fuck' more than men.

Women use the F-word more than men, according to new survey

Men appear to have dramatically cut their use of the word f* since the 1990s, while women have increased it significantly.

The survey, which was administered by the Economic and Social Research Council (ESRC), which sponsored the survey in conjunction with Lancaster University and Cambridge University Press, is the first time changes in speech have been studied over a period of 20 years.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-swear-more-than-men-survey-bad-language-a7402251.html%3famp

A new study by work management platform Wrike has found that millennial women swear more on the job than any demographic.

Wrike surveyed 1,542 U.S. workers, finding that 60 percent of women admitted to cursing at work, compared to 55 percent of men.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.today.com/today/amp/tdna103819

There are other male dominated high risk occupations like fire fighters plus apparently taking paracetamol or ibuprofen long term gives men hearing loss (but not women) because biology of being XY. I don’t know any men who never take paracetamol or ibuprofen and the ones that take the most tend to have physical jobs. Physical jobs tend to also more sweary, wouldn’t you think?

But again, you’re adding another dimension which makes your hypothesis even more unlikely - they now have to be taking regular painkillers as well.

If you can’t see how silly and unlikely that all is, I’m not really sure I can explain it to you.

Men just like to display ‘dominant’ behaviour in public because they need to feel important and alpha. By shouting, sticking their hands down their pants, staring at women, catcalling and revving their engines. It’s all part of the same thing, and most women will know this from years of personal experience.

But have you never heard men doing these things?? It's definitely a thing.

If the age of the men you observed being loud is “irrelevant” then why did you initially post the ages of the men you observed being loud as a “gotcha” that it couldn’t be hearing loss?

It’s just too bad for you that the actual ages of hearing loss matched the ages of the men you observed and not the ages you mistakenly thought hearing loss occurred.

So now, the ages of the loud men is suddenly irrelevant. This is called confirmation bias, where you discard any evidence that doesn’t fit your biased narrative.

Yes! I particularly hate it when they sit as far apart from each other on the Tube as possible, then shout across other passengers.

😂

Do you really not get it? Those ‘deaf’ 30 year olds will still be deaf at 70. Therefore you would see older men doing the same thing. You don’t. The reason you don’t is because thuggy, domineering behaviour is very much the remit of young and middle aged men rather than the very old. You also don’t see 85 year olds manspreading while sticking their hands down their pants, or revving their car engines.

I have no idea what your agenda is here but it’s a total nonsense 😂

No, they don’t have to be taking painkillers as well. It’s an either/or situation and obviously if a man has more than one risk factor that ups the probability of hearing loss. These are facts regarding hearing loss in men.

I don’t think it is at all silly, it’s less silly than your assertion that physiology has fuck all to do with behaviour and all male behaviour always boils down to men being massive twats in public.

Well not every bit of behaviour can be explained by the twat theory you have built. It’s not “all part of the same thing” - massive whataboutery to conflate a man having a loud phone conversation with sex offenders cat calling and touching their genitals in front of women.

it’s less silly than your assertion that physiology has fuck all to do with behaviour and all male behaviour always boils down to men being massive twats in public.

In my experience, the latter is nearly always the reason.

Who said anything about sex offenders this is standard male behaviour I see on public transport all the time. No idea if they’re convicted or not.

Men seem to more commonly just shout at each other in place of speaking from a more appropriate distance, but imo, women seem to shout at children a lot more - not as in telling them off, but just shouting at them by default instead of talking to them. Maybe because women are in charge of children more often than men are?

The punctuation swearing, though, is just horrible. It makes the user just sound so extremely lacking in intelligence - especially when the swear word comes instinctively but they clearly don't even know what they're saying next. If you want to buy a moment's thinking time, what's wrong with 'um' or 'er' or even just a second's silence?

I'm not saying that a well-timed swear word can't be very effective indeed, but as punctuation, it sounds so pathetic and just plain idiotic - like the wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.

Just stop and think how stupid you'd sound if you said 'sausages' as every other word - "Sausages.... I sausages told him, sausages, that if he sausages doesn't sausages get in his sausages car and sausages drive sausages over here right sausages now with the sausages money he sausages owes me, I'm gonna sausages give him a sausages good sausages hiding, sausages...." - it doesn't sound any less stupid in the least, just because you happen to use a rude word instead of a family-friendly one.

And anyway, we curse more than men nowadays.

No, you wouldn’t see 70/80yr olds doing the same thing because it is extremely rare that anyone, much less a man, will get to 70 without realising they have hearing loss and so will almost certainly by then have a hearing aid?

You do know that at age 40 you get an NHS letter telling you to go get a health check which includes a hearing test? Mine did. As did my DHs health check at 50.

Confirmation bias is all I can say. You’re basing your conclusions on experience that is uninformed by any scientific knowledge of human biology.