So instead of women having to register their route home…

[Ozgirl75]

I see the new idea to keep women “safe” (or maybe just to be able to find their murdered body more easily?) an app has been suggested so that women put in their route and if they’re late, a call goes to the police.
So, what about instead of that, men have to register their route before they go out - and if they go “off route” an alert is sent and they’re arrested.
Also, how about 2-3 nights a week, men have a curfew. Any man out after 8pm has to have a female chaperone, or if they’re at work, they have a permit and have to register their route.
Women have done the heavy lifting on keeping themselves safe for ages, how about we do some proper stuff to affect men for a change?
I don’t have answers for violence in the home - but maybe instead of blaming women and expecting them to constantly change their behaviour, men could do something.
This is somewhat tongue in cheek although the more I think about it, the more I think it should happen. Women are already mainly under a voluntary evening curfew, so how about we flip this.

@Ozgirl75

I see the new idea to keep women “safe” (or maybe just to be able to find their murdered body more easily?) an app has been suggested so that women put in their route and if they’re late, a call goes to the police. So, what about instead of that, men have to register their route before they go out - and if they go “off route” an alert is sent and they’re arrested. Also, how about 2-3 nights a week, men have a curfew. Any man out after 8pm has to have a female chaperone, or if they’re at work, they have a permit and have to register their route. Women have done the heavy lifting on keeping themselves safe for ages, how about we do some proper stuff to affect men for a change? I don’t have answers for violence in the home - but maybe instead of blaming women and expecting them to constantly change their behaviour, men could do something. This is somewhat tongue in cheek although the more I think about it, the more I think it should happen. Women are already mainly under a voluntary evening curfew, so how about we flip this.

I thought this, when I first heard the idea of the app. No inconvenience to men but yet another thing women have to do to keep safe. I’m so tired of being inconvenienced and having to take responsibility for avoiding mens’ violence against women.

Number 2
So yet again Male violence is the fault of women

[quote CBUK2K]@TheWeeDonkey We could try giving young men role models and not demonising them?[/quote]
If you're a bloke then by all means please do give them a good role model.

I get increasingly more pissed off, there are problems relating to males, it always seems that it's women expecting to change/accommodate.
They are MALE problems how about males solving them?

@CBUK2K and is that the responsibility of men or women?

Maybe a good male role model could start by thinking how he might be able to adapt his behaviour to make our society a bit safer for women? Is there anything he can do to take some responsibility rather than making it all down to women and girls to fix?

I think men should be banned from gathering in groups of more than 3. Ever. That's stop horrible train journeys on football day, which would improve mine and DDs lives immeasurably.

I've never seen a feminist argue for more male teachers so young boys may have some male contact.

You've been very selective in your reading then. I've seen that suggested many times on MN FWR. That there need to be more male teachers, especially in primary schools, but that they shouldn't (as too often happens) somehow disproportionately end up in the SLT positions.

@partystress

CBUK2K. Any evidence for those statistics you’ve chucked in?

Infanticide hard to get stats, but actually given the fact that hormonally triggered psychosis would be a factor in most maternal cases, and given the huge sex imbalance in time spent with infants, that one would not be surprising.

2019 figures show all crimes are male dominated.

Not that hard to find. Not saying I agree with @CBUK2K’s post, but they were not making up statistics.

“Data from 33 countries distinguishing the perpetrators of parental homicides of children under the age of 18 years showed that mothers committed just over half of all parental homicides (median 54.7%, IQR 36.7–68.8); in high-income countries, the median percentage was 44.4% (IQR 36.7–66.7), in the East Asia and Pacific region, 64.6% (IQR 59.0–69.3), in the Americas, 15.4% (IQR 13.3–17.4), in Africa, 88.6% (IQR 71.1–100.0), in low-income and middle-income Europe, 60.4% (IQR 45.8–75.0) and in the Mediterranean region, 7.4% (IQR 0.0–14.8).”

“The 12 countries with detailed data on parent as perpetrators showed mothers commit the majority of parental homicides of children under 1 year (71.7% (IQR: 50.2–75.7)). Seven studies investigated perpetrators of neonaticides (defined as the murder of an infant within 24 hours of giving birth with the exception of a study in France and Denmark, which extended it to 1 month after birth), without considering the mother as the default perpetrator. They found that parents committed 100% of neonaticides (IQR 62.0–100.0). If studies only considering parents were examined, 13 countries had data and the vast majority of neonaticides are committed by mothers (100%, IQR 92.9–100). Fathers committed very few neonaticides (0.00%, IQR: 0.0–6.7).”
bmjpaedsopen.bmj.com/content/1/1/e000112

Here’s one CBUK2UK. Feminist, primary school teacher and would love to see more male teachers in primaries.

Meanwhile, there’s a ton more claims you’ve made about offending and courts. Again, with no evidence or context.

What are you here for? Not philosophically, but what do you hope to gain through your comments? Many of us on here have sons, male partners. Do you think we need the NAMALT and ‘women do bad stuff too’ as some kind of education?

So, what about instead of that, men have to register their route before they go out - and if they go “off route” an alert is sent and they’re arrested. Also, how about 2-3 nights a week, men have a curfew. Any man out after 8pm has to have a female chaperone, or if they’re at work, they have a permit and have to register their route.

I don’t see the point if this really. If it’s a serious suggestion, then you are advocating for martial law or a totalitarian despotic government, because you know this would never apply to just males. It would be applied to everyone. If it’s not a serious suggestion, then why spout such nonsense? It won’t help or change things.

@ErrolTheDragon

Maybe a good male role model could start by thinking how he might be able to adapt his behaviour to make our society a bit safer for women? Is there anything he can do to take some responsibility rather than making it all down to women and girls to fix?

The problem with that is you are asking people who are not the problem (most men) to adapt their behaviour (which is not a problem) to remove a risk from women which does not exist (because the majority or men are not rapists).

There seems to be an attitude amongst some on here that all men are the problem, where it is only a small minority who are the issue. The normal, decent men can not change anything by changing their behaviour because their behaviour is not a problem, the arseholes will not change willingly because they are arseholes. So we need to target the arseholew, the violent, the criminal etc.

I am mildly surprised no one has suggested floating all women to an offshore island (similar to the Amazon's), with regular days for sexual access.*

That would certainly protect men from the possibility of being triggered into violence by the presence of female bodies.

*Yes, I am being sarcastic.

@katemuff

I think men should be banned from gathering in groups of more than 3. Ever. That's stop horrible train journeys on football day, which would improve mine and DDs lives immeasurably.

Before we had kids I used to go to football, rugby and cricket with my husband a few times a year and the only time I ever remember train journeys being horrible on match days was because they were very busy.

**1) One of the main differences between men and women is aggression. If you pick a man and women from society at random 60% of the time the male will be more aggressive. When you look at the outliers, the most aggressive people are all male.

2. According to the prison reform trust 76% of young men in prison had an absent father, lots of feminist groups are very keen to dismantle the traditional nuclear family, yet the presence of a strong male role model (especially a father) is one of the biggest factors in adult behaviour in men.

3. There have been studies done on intimate partner violence which showed some of the highest levels were in gay women. Which obviously leads to the question if societies expectation for men to put and shut up as well as a very different attitude to F on M domestic abuse plays quite a large part in domestic violence.

Number 1 and number 3 contradict each other, if men really are more agressive than men, then how are lesbian relationships the most violent? Can you explain that to me?

Feminists don't want to dismantle nuclear families, they want husbands and fathers to be responsible and caring towards their spouse and children.
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One and three are not mutually exclusive, 1 relates to a random sampling from woman as a whole group, 3 relates to a specific subset of women, not a random sampling.

@ErrolTheDragon

Maybe a good male role model could start by thinking how he might be able to adapt his behaviour to make our society a bit safer for women? Is there anything he can do to take some responsibility rather than making it all down to women and girls to fix?

Arguments like this make me really uncomfortable, because it’s a slippery slope when you engage in group blame by a characteristic like sex. It could easily make arguments like this seem acceptable...

“Maybe a good muslim role model could start by thinking how they might be able to adapt their behaviour to make our society a bit safer from Islamic terrorists? Is there anything he can do to take some responsibility rather than making it all down to nonMuslims to fix?”

I certainly hope that @CBUK2K is not acting as a role model for any young men or boys. The obvious misogyny and victim mentality would potentially be very damaging.

@TheWeeDonkey

This is always a pointless debate because as we know the worst thing about male violence towards women is that it makes men feel icky. Therefore the best way to combat male violence toward women is ignore it and hope it goes away and maybe throw out a few squirrels in the mean time to distract from the epidemic of violence against women.

See what I mean. We can never have a proper discussion about MVAW and sensible ideas of how to resolve it because we have to pander to men's delicate feefees first.

Pointless.