So instead of women having to register their route home…

[Ozgirl75]

I see the new idea to keep women “safe” (or maybe just to be able to find their murdered body more easily?) an app has been suggested so that women put in their route and if they’re late, a call goes to the police.
So, what about instead of that, men have to register their route before they go out - and if they go “off route” an alert is sent and they’re arrested.
Also, how about 2-3 nights a week, men have a curfew. Any man out after 8pm has to have a female chaperone, or if they’re at work, they have a permit and have to register their route.
Women have done the heavy lifting on keeping themselves safe for ages, how about we do some proper stuff to affect men for a change?
I don’t have answers for violence in the home - but maybe instead of blaming women and expecting them to constantly change their behaviour, men could do something.
This is somewhat tongue in cheek although the more I think about it, the more I think it should happen. Women are already mainly under a voluntary evening curfew, so how about we flip this.

[quote CBUK2K]@PickUpAPepper Well based on the the ONS data provided yes they do?

Lots of men would like to be a bigger part of their kids lives except family courts by default give main/sole custody to mothers?[/quote]
ExH was given sole custody of his eldest DD when she was 3 so that statement is not true.

Curfews are not the answer. I have said before on here that my attack happened at 4:30pm on a sunny afternoon.

The night is not the problem here. Intent in the problem.

Even just a basic conversation with our sons about street etiquette is worthwhile. I had a perfectly intelligent boyfriend once who thought I was 'showing off' when I told him I'd been followed home by a stranger. He said 'I wish women would follow me home', as if he had never once considered this as an actual threat to safety instead of a weird compliment.

Then again, under the current conversation this could then be extrapolated as victim blaming because mothers shouldn't have to educate their kids not to be rapists.

Maybe don't call everything victim blaming and look at all possible ways of keeping us safe.

planderaccordement I didn’t say that the statistic about infanticide was made up. The others were were expressed in a way that was extremely misleading. Stats on the death of very young children are much less clear cut and depend massively on the age of the child. Looking at all filicide, there are studies which would contradict the study you quote, with the majority of killings committed by fathers. Some of whom, of course, go on to take their own lives. UK data - and we are talking about ideas for dealing with the issue in the UK - seem less available than for other crimes.

As for an echo chamber Cbuk2uk, my experience of these boards is that posters go out of their way not to make sweeping generalisations or to be misandrist. I’m not going to comment on your job ad question as it doesn’t appear linked to anything I have said.

@AlexaShutUp

I certainly hope that *@CBUK2K* is not acting as a role model for any young men or boys. The obvious misogyny and victim mentality would potentially be very damaging.

Agreed

[quote CBUK2K]@Hoppinggreen By agenda do you means rational suggestion?

There is a strong link between male behaviour and absentee fathers. The system is massively biased in favour of mothers.

For example if not married to the mother a father has no automatic parental rights. Family courts typically award sole / main custody to mothers.[/quote]
The overwhelming majority of absentee fathers arr absent through choice. They decide that the child is an extension of the mother and are happy to wash their hands to end the relationship. The majority of single mums I know would love for their ex's to have a healthy relationship but they either refuse or are unable to do that.

What do we do about those fathers?

[quote CBUK2K]@trappedsincesundaymorn I've not seen anyone claim it was her fault? It is the responsibly of the police to protect people, they have issues advice to (understandably) worried women on things to do to try and keep safe.

Would you say telling people not to drink and drive or leave valuables in their car was "victim blaming"?[/quote]
Did you miss this?
“North Yorkshire commissioner Philip Allott was criticised after saying Ms Everard never should have "submitted" to arrest by killer Wayne Couzens.”
www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-58834029

And of course the rape/valuables in car argument. Understanding that this argument is wrong does involve understanding that women aren’t objects.

@CBUK2K are they the ones who hounded Kerry Katona after her ex decided to take his own life? That Fathers fot Justice?

You seem to have very pre conceived ideas about women and mothers. Maybe best for you not to procreate with one.

I am speaking from experience and from women I know. Their lives and their childrens lives. This isn't some abstract thought experiment this is people's lives, men have an equal responsibility in their sexual health, who they choose to have children with and what kind of relationship they have with the mother and child.

Anyway. Back to the subject of the thread. It would be nice if women did feel safer in public and private spaces and I think taking those concerns seriously and being able to have a frank, honest conversation with men and women, and for men to see that when women say they have legitimate fears they are talking about how they feel, not to demonize men but to help them understand is a start.

[quote CBUK2K]@TheWeeDonkey Have you ever heard of fathers for justice?

Are you basing this judgment on what mothers have told you?

However you try to spin it men are second class parents in many respects, if you want boys to grow up to be decent men treat them fairly, let them be boys and give them male role models.[/quote]
We have heard of Fathers for Justice
We know exactly who they are

[quote CBUK2K]@BewareTheLibrarians Valuables in a car was one of 1000 examples, you appear to be so thoroughly indoctrinated in to the victim culture you're unable to see any other view point.[/quote]
It was one of the two examples in your post. Where on earth have you got 1000 from?

If you think asking people to understand that a woman is not the same as an iPhone, for example, is being “thoroughly indoctrinated in to the victim culture” then you’re part of the problem.

Have a lovely day, I won’t be back to the thread as I’m choosing to spend the rest of the day with the awesome men in my life.

Not caught up all the thread but just responding to this:
I provided a link to the ONS source I was quoting?
There was no "mangling" just because it differs from your ideology.

You misunderstood it and misrepresented what it in the earlier post:
Women commit significantly more theft than men so we should also have male chaperones for them entering a shop.
They are nearly 3 times as likely as man to commit fraud so we should probably ban them from having any access to any means of doing so.

I'm sure it wasn't deliberate, given that you did provide the source, but you clearly didn't double check it, think about what the statistics actually meant and do the maths when I pointed out the error.

The proportion of prosecutions for indictable offences for male defendants in 2017 was higher for all offences groups other than theft offences (48% of female indictable prosecutions, 30% of males) and fraud (females 9%, males 3%).

The point is that those percentages are within female offences and within males. They are not comparable with each other.

To do the comparison you need to take those figures in conjunction with p40:
In 2017, 85% of all prosecutions for indictable offence were male defendants (15% female defendants).

Which means 7.2% of all indictable offences are thefts by females and 25.5% are thefts by males. For fraud, it's 1.35% by females and 2.55% male.

If you finish doing the calculations, they come out quite close to the 2019 figures shown on the graph posted at 8:38

Men commit far more thefts than women, and quite a bit more fraud.
This is a matter of statistics, not ideology.

Give boys good male role models

Given that there are many known offenders out and about it would be good if an alarm bell was activated if they approached lone women or children. I bet it could be done.

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]Remind me which sex is routinely killed as babies?

Boys.
“The risk of homicide is particularly high for boys, who account for 70% of all child homicides”
bmjpaedsopen.bmj.com/content/1/1/e000112[/quote]
That's incorrect @PlanDeRaccordement - the question was which sex is routinely killed as babies.

Your link is clear that homicide rates are highest in the 15-19 age range. That's not infanticide.

Not RTFT only OP.

Eh?

Bonkers.

I have to decide what time to leave.

Put evening into app.

That's like the most controlling thing ever!

And if I decide to do something that means ETA is wrong.. police?!

Put in revised ETA?

Fuck that we limit our freedom enough already thanks.

@NiceGerbil Quite.