So instead of women having to register their route home…

[Ozgirl75]

I see the new idea to keep women “safe” (or maybe just to be able to find their murdered body more easily?) an app has been suggested so that women put in their route and if they’re late, a call goes to the police.
So, what about instead of that, men have to register their route before they go out - and if they go “off route” an alert is sent and they’re arrested.
Also, how about 2-3 nights a week, men have a curfew. Any man out after 8pm has to have a female chaperone, or if they’re at work, they have a permit and have to register their route.
Women have done the heavy lifting on keeping themselves safe for ages, how about we do some proper stuff to affect men for a change?
I don’t have answers for violence in the home - but maybe instead of blaming women and expecting them to constantly change their behaviour, men could do something.
This is somewhat tongue in cheek although the more I think about it, the more I think it should happen. Women are already mainly under a voluntary evening curfew, so how about we flip this.

I don't find these threads helpful. The app was invented by a man with three daughters and a son, who he worries about. It's just one thing that people can choose to do or not, I don't see any suggestion that it must be used. It isn't available yet and when it is it will be entirely voluntary.

Of course women aren't the problem. But apart from jokes about male curfews etc, what else can we do, in reality, to bring down the male threat? Men need to challenge misogyny where they see it, for sure. How long will this social change take?

And have any cultures in history ever managed to eliminate sexual violence? We need to look at the issue from all angles. I think the app looks pretty helpful, although the much bigger threat does not come from strangers in the street.

[quote CBUK2K]@AlexaShutUp Disagreeing with your indoctrination does not a bad role model make.

Maybe you could provide a counter argument rather than the default position of summoning an "ism" and posting abuse?[/quote]
I could indeed, but sometimes, there is just no point. I have seen enough of your posts on these boards to know that it's not worth investing the energy.

@MorrisZapp
Well said. I feel the same.

@CBUK2K

Women commit the majority of infanticide, I suggest any woman looking after a child has a male chaperone to prevent this from happening.

Women commit significantly more theft than men so we should also have male chaperones for them entering a shop.

They are nearly 3 times as likely as man to commit fraud so we should probably ban them from having any access to any means of doing so.

Do we? Really? Remind me which sex is routinely killed as babies?

If men want to take more responsibility for childcare they would be very welcome. I wonder which sex would be responsible for committing more infanticide if the sex of carers were equal. Once again ridiculousness of the highest order.

I do think that at least the annual International Women’s Day should be marked by a men’s curfew. Make it mean something real.

I think all the app (the one for women), will do is provide another layer of victim blaming

"She should have known better than to be out alone after dark"
"She should have been dressed more sensibly"
"She should have got a taxi"
"she should have downloaded the app"

Remind me which sex is routinely killed as babies?

Boys.
“The risk of homicide is particularly high for boys, who account for 70% of all child homicides”
bmjpaedsopen.bmj.com/content/1/1/e000112

@AICM

Arrested for what?

Minority report?

Not saying I agree with @CBUK2K*’s post, but they were not making up statistics.
*
That posters stats on fraud and theft were made up, as in, woefully misinterpreted. Probably not deliberate deception, more likely the result of reading someone else's mangling and not checking them.

@trappedsincesundaymorn

I think all the app (the one for women), will do is provide another layer of victim blaming

"She should have known better than to be out alone after dark"
"She should have been dressed more sensibly"
"She should have got a taxi"
"she should have downloaded the app"

This is my fear too because I would never use such an app. It’s pointless. They already track us by our phones, they’re going to catch my rapist or killer. They’ll 99% chance let my rapist off and killer spend a few years behind bars. But will it stop the attack? No it won’t even deter an attacker in the slightest.

Yet not using the app will be yet another excuse to let that rapist off or victim blame me for “getting myself murdered” and reduce a murderers sentence even more.

It’s lose-lose

I should have been clearer. Around the world, female babies and foetuses are killed in excess. It has skewed the sex ratios in many areas.

Women do the vast bulk of childcare. If men want to be awarded care by judges then they need to be involved more.

@ErrolTheDragon

Not saying I agree with @CBUK2K*’s post, but they were not making up statistics. * That posters stats on fraud and theft were made up, as in, woefully misinterpreted. Probably not deliberate deception, more likely the result of reading someone else's mangling and not checking them.

I was responding to the poster who was specifically responding to the infanticide statistic as being made up. No comment on fraud and theft.

[quote CBUK2K]@TheWeeDonkey Well it seems to be feminists who think they don't need them and family courts (in the UK at least) give primary or sole custody to mothers in divorce cases. I've never seen a feminist argue for more male teachers so young boys may have some male contact.[/quote]
I’m a feminist and I think it would great if there were more Male teachers in Primary schools.
There you go

@trappedsincesundaymorn

I think all the app (the one for women), will do is provide another layer of victim blaming

"She should have known better than to be out alone after dark"
"She should have been dressed more sensibly"
"She should have got a taxi"
"she should have downloaded the app"

Yes, and its putting more responsibility on women to not be assulted.

I haven't seen one single person seriously blame any of the recent female murder victims for their own killing. In Sarah Everard's case, the police ran an exemplary investigation, the courts did their job and the perpetrator has been given a whole life sentence, which nobody has suggested is unjust.

It may not be a solution to suggest, tongue in cheek, that men have a curfew rather than women have a tracking app, but at least it gives women the freedom to look at things the other way round. So there is not just an automatic assumption that women’s freedom should be curtailed and men should be unaffected by their own violence. It’s so refreshing to look at alternatives and point them out.

[quote CBUK2K]@trappedsincesundaymorn No victim of crime should ever hear the things you've suggested. However they are sensible precautions in the same way I'd lock my car/home and avoid rough bits of town after dark.[/quote]
No they shouldn't and on the face of it those are sensible precautions however

She should have known better than to be out alone after dark - said about Sarah Everard

She should have been dressed more sensibly - Sarah Everard was.

She should have got a taxi - Warbouys was a taxi driver and look what happened to the woman who were unlucky enough to get in his cab.

We can take all the precautions necessary and still somehow, it will be our fault.

[quote CBUK2K]@PickUpAPepper Well based on the the ONS data provided yes they do?

Lots of men would like to be a bigger part of their kids lives except family courts by default give main/sole custody to mothers?[/quote]
Think we might be getting to the bottom of the agenda here

I think teaching young boys to respect women is not demonising them.

I think teaching boys to speak up and not accept misogynistic behaviour in their friendship groups is not demonising them.

I think teaching boys that being caring and thoughtful is not just in the realms of femininity is not demonising them.

I think teaching boys that "be kind" counts for them too is not demonising them.

I think teaching boys and men that many women do have fears (and many perfectly warranted) and that there are ways they can allay those fears is not demonising them.

Its treating them as fully human who can take responsibility for themselves and think of others. If you think that is a problem then maybe consider that it is your problem.

@MorrisZapp

I haven't seen one single person seriously blame any of the recent female murder victims for their own killing. In Sarah Everard's case, the police ran an exemplary investigation, the courts did their job and the perpetrator has been given a whole life sentence, which nobody has suggested is unjust.

True the police did exemplary investigation for Sarah Everard but I have read some victim blaming, or at least I don’t see how to interpret suggestions that someone in Sarah’s situation should -flag down a bus -call 999 and ask for female officer to attend -refuse to get in any unmarked vehicle -resist arrest by any lone police officer

In any way other than victim blaming?