2015 Running Thread

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Well...nearly!

Thread for all running chat, no matter how fast or how far you run

1080.6 total with my 3.2

My nan treated us to a fish and chip lunch. I definitely had to do a run today. I could have easily been sick many times.

I'm not really getting any faster but I feel fitter and not like I'm dying. Even managing some hills now which is probably why I'm not any faster just yet.

Mayvis speed isn't everything Well done on your hills.

We have a buggy runner at parkrun. Sometimes he has two small people in the buggy and even so he still bloody gets past me.

Totally agree HesterShaw, we all have bad runs! Could be due to tiredness, dehydration, lack of calories, mentally elsewhere, weather, time of day etc. Even though I'm tired a lot at the moment and have to drag myself out some days I never regret a run, always feel less tired and mentally happier so please don't beat yourself up about it, you went out, you ran and your next one WILL be better

I thought this would mean somehing to my fellow plodders!

I love that t-shirt, seen it lots of places but don't wear slogan t-shirts so wouldn't be much point in buying it for myself.

Mitchy feeling depressed, have been reading the chapter in the Lore of Running about Marathon preparation and the the author recommended 110kms a week in his plans. If you are a working women with a family to look after I'm not sure where you can find the time to do this?? I'm going to stick with my 50kms a week - I think 110kms a week would bore me senseless and be ultra stressful because I'd have to give something else up to do it. Could you manage 110kms a week?

Adding 2.5 miles here.

I am at the idea of finding time to run 110km a week not that it's ever likely to be a problem for me. Surely something has to give?

1083.1

noooo and I am not persuaded that it's necessary even for those elite type people, I love the Lore of Running for its breadth of ideas but I don't take much of it on board (except the Laws of Running, am still working on those, they make sense to me)

anything much over 55km (is that about 35 miles?) and I disintegrate (my sacro iliac joints feel like they're disintegrating now and have only run 4 miles all week ) my right calf starts waking me up at night

but I could make the time if I had to and could get away with the physical wear and tear, but I don't have a proper job as such and my children are older (although that doesn't seem to mean less demand on my time, just different kinds of demands!)

I got through lore of running in about half an hour, it just seemed so out of date and nothing I've not heard before, I feel as if the general running 'belief system' has moved on since it was written.
Imo the 'belief system' is in a constant state of flux and what seems self evident today will soon seem like bad advice.
Whatshisface who wrote the book about 80/20 recons that running loads and loads of miles causes premature aging to your muscle fibres, and takes the 'bounce' out of your stride.

Really I think it's worse than bodybuilding for 'broscience'

Mitchy phew, glad it isn't just me. Can I ask how old you are (I'm 50 in November, so goal was to do a marathon before then). To be fair Dr T does say that anyone over 45 should do 75% of his training plans. But that is still in excess of my 50 odd kms. I had my kids rather late so they are still on the young side, but my oldest is now old enough to babysit for a couple of house. I have gites and teach part time, so can fit in running, but if I had a normal 9 - 6 job I think I'd struggle to even manage 50km
The carb loading is v interesting. What I try to do. And just shows that for any races under 30kms you really don't need to eat. The human body reserves can cope with that, but not a marathon.

oh god I LOVE lore of running so much! I don't know about how seriously to take which bits of it, he usually goes back and forth across varying view points, but it's just so full of chat about running

Suzanne I got the impression that whatisface about the 80:20 was against too much HIT and more for long distance running?? That was the idea, to get away from all the interval and speed work. The key to successful racing was the mileage completed in slower time.
It's so confusing. I know a local guy who ran his first marathon with no training at all in 3h30. He enjoyed it so he ran a second 4 weeks later in 3 hours. You've either got the capacity/endurance/fitness or you haven't.
PS He also nearly died while running the Marathon des Dunes in the Sahara for the 4th time a couple of years ago. Fortunately a fellow runner was a GP and managed to save him. He hasn't stopped running since.

?It probably is the case that to be a good competitive runner you need to do shit loads of running, but at what point are you (over the long term) doing more harm than good?
I think I'll stick to my current slow jogging and save the 'busting my ass' for the weights room ?

Oh x posted

am bit younger than you, will be 44 any day now but I look a lot older and run at about half your pace

I've seen that people can adapt to running on empty over long distances (not a couple of hours after breakfast but empty empty) I know I can do up to about a half in that state but I also know that just because I can doesn't mean I should (in terms of finishing strong, recovering quickly etc£

Managed to finally get back out there today. There was sleet which was... Refreshing! Very glad I went though.

1083.1 +3.25 = 1086.35

Did 4.33 miles after work in the wind and rain. Best run ever! I felt AWESOME! Pace was good - 10:18 which is blinding for me even though there were times when the wind was so strong I felt like I was running on the spot. Something really clicked for me this week, I feel like I CAN do this, I can run and push myself and feel good

I feel invincible right now!

Mitchy sorry to read about your back pain. They're funny things backs, I get lower back pain and most of the time running helps it. However there have been times when it's kind of gone into some sort of stiffness or spasm and I haven't been able to. It's then I have to get some physio. It's great you're doing a marathon. Wish I was now. Am planning on doing a half in March and so know what you mean about the calf thing. Any twinges and I start to panic. Think the back and calf pains are connected. Apparently if your back tends to be stiff when you run it affects your calves. Definitely seems to be a link there for me and when you start ramping up the mileage the body starts protesting. Actually don't know if I'm just a one marathon girl. Suppose I could try next year?

Have been out in high wind and rain here this evening and did 3.94 miles. Really needed the run as all seems so busy here at the moment and I've been getting stressed with it all. Glad I went out earlier as wind is quite scary now.

I trained for a marathon while working FT including a longish commute. I used the cool running 20 week plan, and ran Tue/Weds/Thur (all relatively short runs, based on intervals and some hill training IIRC), did parkrun on Saturday (ran there and back if my plan said more than 3 miles) and my long run on Sunday. The plan says it peaks at about 45 miles/week but bizarrely I don't remember doing that much, although I followed the plan almost to the letter (missed one long run through illness).

My advantage was that the marathon was in November, so I had light evenings for most of the training, and at one point I was working a shift pattern where I started work at midday so could run in the morning without getting up insanely early. And we were on holiday for two weeks in the middle of the plan, so I was able to do some beach running to break up the monotony of my local runs.

I was 46 at the time. Am hoping to do another one the year I am 50. There, I have said it out loud now

High five Edith, flutie and Neeko for going out tonight

Sorry x posted. Don't know how much running is too much but I can generally only fit in 3 runs a week (long run on Sun) Am trying to go to gym on one rest day though as need to work out my puny arms

PS I'm 46 at the moment but will be 47 in March.

Anglaise, yes Matt Fitzgerald is (at least in that book) in favour of mostly low intensity running.
What does that even mean?
All running feels high intensity to me.
It is all very confusing.
I am mostly still surprised that I can even run at all tbh :o ?

Perhaps running is just ineffable - art not science, and attempts to precisely encapsulate it in book form are doomed to failure?

So nice to know there are other albeit secret marathon trainees around (mine is 22nd March so not too far away and if I fail there is still time for another one before my 50th in November).
Suzanne Fro what I know low intensity is around 65% -75% lower than your race pace. So you need to do a race to know what that is
For me a long slow run is around 9.75 kms an hour, never above 10kph. But for a man who races at 17kph it would be my race pace!
orangeflutie I didn't realise how weak my arms were until I tried to do real push ups. I managed 2. A lot of work required - upper body strength is important too for runners.