Brexit MegaThread - part 14

[Peregrina]

Thread 13. We had a debate about whether there should be a new one but if no one answers this the whole series after 8 years plus will come to their end.

Brexit happened, although one time Leavers do not seem to appreciate this.
It's worth noting I think that Brexit was a Tory initiative and the Tory party has just received its worse electoral thrashing since 1832. Could it be entirely unrelated?

What next? A gradual rapprochement with the EU? A Norway style agreement?

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@JoanOfMarch

In 2022, it was estimated:

there are 8 million unique views on MN each month.

90% of members are female
only 5% of users are outside of the UK.

Link is:

Mumsnet’s founder Justine Roberts: “It is a place where women can speak the truth” - New Statesman

The truth the article refers to is called difficult subjects. No mention of Brexit.

So, even if every woman in the UK was a user it would take only 4 months for the entire UK female population to have looked on the website. Therefore, there are many 10s (possibly 100s) of millions of lurkers such as yourself who look on MN, but don't often post, if at all.

Maybe requests to ban posters who do not agree with the underlying theme of these threads since 2016 which I would summarize as;

Brexit voters are both thick and racist

The UK population has changed their minds about Brexit
The entire UK is worse off due to Brexit

is fear that lurkers may actually reads the links and available data provided and also disagree them.

The post with monkey scratching it's head is a typical response to historical data which can be proven, but does not fit their narrative.

Nobody has tried to ban you Globe, we just know that you're a bad faith actor because you don't engage, merely repeat the same nonsense.

We can't be arsed to repeat ourselves over and over again when we have answered your points, individually, on numerous occasions. This is because none of us are being paid to post here.

You are obviously not doing this out of the goodness of your heart, and that is obvious to us all...

Being ignored, is not being banned.

@HannibalHeyes

because you don't engage

You mean I don't echo everyone else.

when we have answered your points

So far, I have seen only one remain supporter acknowledge that remain supporters could have cancelled Brexit by voting for the Liberal Democrats in the 2019 GE. I would say that remain supports had another chance in 2024 GE to vote for the Liberal Democrats, but like in 2019 they chose otherwise.

Therefore, I am not convinced that the vast majority of people in the UK don't want Brexit as suggested by these threads.

That the Parties who want the UK to rejoin the EU never get anywhere near the parties who don't in terms of seats or votes is indisputable.

Then you haven't been reading the replies, have you.

That's exactly what I mean by not engaging!

The fact that you do not echo everyone else should tell you something

You have your Brexit so be happy like Louise

So now we're not going to be able to grow so many varieties of tomato.

It's all going so well...

https://hortnews.com/british-tomato-growers-association-tomato-seed-import-delays-impact/

So now we're not going to be able to grow so many varieties of tomato.

No loss there though. They are all unremittingly shite. It's what happens when you sell by weight and people cotton on how heavy water is.

The Lib Dem's were not going to form a govt. No way in 2019. So this argument doesn't hold water.

Ah, is Globe still too thick to realise that a General Election isn't a single issue vote, unlike, say, a referendum?

As I endlessly bang on, "AI" has no understanding of the words it's using. All it "knows" is that word has been used in this context in a discussion and these other words were the result.

It's all going so well, part 97462...

"New Brexit border checks are costing small businesses more than 10 times what they are costing large companies."

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/brexit/brexit-costs-mount-for-industry-as-defra-urged-to-address-border-chaos/693942.article

TBH I miss no longer being able to get some of teh classic French and German varieties whose UK seed stock has wandered.
My home grown tomatoes are just kicking in. Black Russian is still one of the absolute best.

Not the Black Russian?

No party will ever form a government if people don’t vote for them.

@HannibalHeyes

So, what was in the Liberal Democrat’s manifesto that is considered to be worse than Brexit which according to these threads is making everyone poorer?

Oh Christ, there's no arguing with stupid...

Pourquoi je n'essaye pas

Moi non plus. C'est pour ça que je ne lis plus ce qu'il écrit.

I've been noticing some food marked 'not for EU' what's that about? What's in it that's ok for us to eat but not good enough for EU to eat?

This is part of the NIP because it is not legal to sell UK produced goods into the EU without proper checks and was brought in at the time of the signing of the NIP (Windsor Framework); UK producers have to PROVE that goods are up to EU quality and this costs extra money for producers and as a result all relevant goods must be marked at the manufacturers. The food MAY be to EU standard BUT it cannot be verified easily. ALL of this (and a LOT more) was 'signed off' by Johnson when he 'got Brexit done' so the UK producers simply have to implement it (ALL). And as a side note, the EU is reviewing the FAILURES by the UK to conform to the terms of the WA/TCA/NIP (Windsor Framework) as there is a LOT the UK is failing to do which is being observed by other countries as the UK is also failing to comply with WTO regulations. The EU evaluation happens continuously and the formal review will be happening during 2025 and into 2026 . IF the UK has NOT pulled it's socks up the EU is at liberty to unilaterally ripo up the TCA at which poiunt things would get a LOT worse for the UK. The elected prime minister of the day (Johnson) signed all this so take it up with him if you are unhappy.

@Kendodd

The shops I use most are; Aldi, Lidl, Sainsburys and M&S. I have not yet seen any "not for the EU" markings.

Can you remember the name of the shop and what food had that label?

@IItisymoi EU is at liberty to unilaterally ripo up the TCA

I can't see that happening as the wording of the TCA prevents the UK from undercutting EU prices on goods.

I can't see that happening as the wording of the TCA prevents the UK from undercutting EU prices on goods.

You clearly haven't thought this through. If the EU decide to rip up the TCA then a massive storm of medium but very important problems will occur, for example many of the things dismissed as 'project fear'. The infamous 'No deal' is what the UK will receive and none of the carefully managed 'easy letdown' that the EU commissioners put years of work into. Combined with the outcomes of the current spate of UK violence and looting the prospect for the UK will be extremely bleak. The good thing for the EU is that it is entirely legal and the UK is powerless to do anything about it.

@IItisymoi

So, when is the rip up if the TCA going to happen?

GlobeTrotter2000 · Today 14:00

So, when is the rip up if the TCA going to happen?
It doesn't have a distinct 'time' BUT there are evaluatioins of the 'performance' of the UK ongoing and as I said the FAILINGS of the UK to abide by the tCA etc have been noted and only recently the EP sent a 'cable' to the UK government that it EXPECTS the UK to comply with the tCA IN FULL before any other discussions. As you will know as a seasoned Leave Voter the uK MUST comply with WTO trade rules and to ease matters the EU graciously allowed some elements that are part of WTO trade rulings to be 'eased' for the duration. This will effectively STOP probably during 2026 because the EU itself needs to comply with WTO rules and 'bending' them can only be temporary as delaying much beyond will incur vast provlems with trade with India, USA, and China among others, all of them a LOT bigger economies than the UK.
There are LIKELY to be various 'trade wars' occurring in the next few years as global finance and manufacturing etc are shifting and new relationships are being formed which is way beyond the comprehension of 'Little (minded) England.