Brexit MegaThread - part 14

[Peregrina]

Thread 13. We had a debate about whether there should be a new one but if no one answers this the whole series after 8 years plus will come to their end.

Brexit happened, although one time Leavers do not seem to appreciate this.
It's worth noting I think that Brexit was a Tory initiative and the Tory party has just received its worse electoral thrashing since 1832. Could it be entirely unrelated?

What next? A gradual rapprochement with the EU? A Norway style agreement?

Since Globe lives in a world of lies or irrelevances there is NO point in trying to discuss anything with it.
Once Article 50 had been presented to the European Parliament and there was no real consensus about what 'leaving' would actually mean there were as many contradictory pieces floating about so NOTHING is really relevant.

I asked MNHQ to either ban or 'have a word' with Globe but received a pleasant reply stating they could see nothing sufficienly wrong with Globes complete twaddle. This tells me a lot about the 'running' of MN and although it saddens me a bit I shall try not to bother looking here much. As this may be a last post I would like to warn about Solicitor Roman Kubiak of Cardiff who made me suicidal and significantly damaged my life, and in the event that the Gendarmes come for me they can help carrying the boxes of written evidence that supports my claim.

@IItisymoi
Let the globe spin past you.
Hang around to give us updates on the Olympics !

I don't contribute on these threads. However, I do lurk and enjoy Globe's posts and don't believe she should be shut down. Can't believe you asked MN to ban her!

You enjoy those?

Really?

I don't read his posts anymore (as far as I can make out from other people's replies, they're repetitive tropes that completely miss the point and/or add nothing to the conversation ) but I do wish that MN would allow us to differentially block someone so I don't keep getting @ed by him and therefore have to ignore the email notifications.

I don't want to switch off the @ notifications as there are other people whose posts I happily read.

I enjoy other people's contributions. Like them, I'm still waiting to see the benefit of Brexit - but I'm glad that there is still somewhere that still pulls together the costs, non achievements and maybe one day the benefits

The OP (i.e. me) is now much more interested in how the relationship will re-develop with the EU, now that the Government has changed.

But at the same time, we will need to keep an eye on how the Tory party develops with a new Leader, and who wins the American election.

Brussels issues UK list of “good faith” tests to fully implement EU-UK Brexit divorce deal if it wants deeper relationship — not a bust up, but a clear reminder this won’t be easy

https://x.com/pmdfoster/status/1818894735852896338

https://www.ft.com/content/43593399-6e31-4b9f-81ec-a06851938706?shareType=nongift

Excellent find Duncin, That should get globe and the brexiteers frothing nicely as it refers to several aspects that the UK has not yet implemented and Brexiteers think everything is done. Taking the UK to court is just the icing on the cake here as Brexiteers THOUGH that leaving would free them of INTERNATIONAL obligations with no comeback.

And there's the problem that Brexshiteers never understand; when Brexit meets reality, reality always wins...

not sure what I'm supposed to be frothing about? I don't want a "deeper relationship"

Frankly any barrier put in the way of a "deeper relationship" with the EU, put there by either side, I strongly welcome.

We're gonna build a beautiful wall.......

You beat me to it 😂

We're gonna build a beautiful wall.......
Although not in any good taste at all a certain Austrian guy 'demanded' a long wall around Northern Europe 80 years ago. The labour used and the ridiculous amounts of concrete and steel was of course obscene. The French RN party had building a wall (fence) around France on it's recent 'manifesto' which of course was nonsense as the cost would be astronomical and unsurprisingly the departments that ajoin other contries 'blend' into other countries where the people that live and work there use dual or multilanguages daily so deciding EXACTLY where to put it would cause even more problems.
In the much earlier Brexit thread there was an expression 'hot and frothy' (or something similar) that xas cpoined to describe the rabid Brexiteers who kept demanding ever harder separation of the UK frolm the EU (Hard Brexit) without understanding HOW hard life in the UK would actually become IF the EU had simply cut all ties with the UK as it, in theory' could have done. Once I start to receive my pension from the UK (that I worked for all my life in the UK) the UK can simply drift off into obscurity as far as I am concerned as I have more 'playmates' (and work) in Europe

The Maginot line was (still is) a testament to political idiocy because as well engineered as it was, those sneaky Gerrmans came around the 'end' of it and mechanised warfare had leapfrogged the old 'knowns'. still, there are several other 'flashpoints' getting significantly hotter around the world at this very moment and Brexit has sidelined much UK involvement in many respects but it won't stop Russian influence (along with Chinese and American) making UK recovery from the losses due to Brexit any easier. The UK NEEDS friends and allies but through Brexit much faith and trust has been lost.

A bit like the pillboxes and dragons teeth you'll find at local rivers and canals

The Nazi fortifications on Guernsey or Batterie Todt
are proof that building walls does not solve problems

I studied with someone who had scaled the Berlin wall to escape from E Germany.

It wasn't a hero story

Since all it needs to do is block the channel tunnel it need not be beautiful, nor even particularly large.

The UK wasn't cut off before the Eurotunnel.

I remember visiting from mainland Europe before 1994

My friend in Germany used to go through the East/West checkpoint and said every time he had to do it was nerve wracking as if you accidentally or deliberately had any 'banned' material (even a western magazine or shop promotion, material) could see you in jail for some time: Maybe the Germans could raise a few Euros by selling the old buildings to the French border control to really press home what Brexit SHOULd be like. The armed guards and sharp shooters should help keep the English gammons out of Europe:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/03/british-airlines-forced-to-fly-planes-to-us-for-repairs-bec

I assume that Brexiters are happy with that. If they could they would tow the UK to the middle of the Atlantic and ask to become a state of the USA.

A vassal state at that.

Exactly what they were complaining about with the EU.

Not the sharpest tools...

51st state
yeah buddy

The points are simple:

If voters thought Brexit was wrong, why did Labour win 412 seats on a manifesto that states the UK will remain outside the EU?

Parliament now has 538 MPs from parties who support Brexit as follows:

Labour 412
Conservatives 121
Reform 5

Liberal Democrats received fewer votes than in 2019, but benefited from the FPTP system which they oppose.

Reform were the only party to see a huge increase in the number of votes received. 4.1 million in 2024 compared to 0.6 million in 2019 when known as the Brexit Party.

Top marks to MNHQ for acknowledging that posters are entitled to their own opinion.