Brexit mega thread part 12: David Cameron: Return of the King

[SerendipityJane]

(previous thread)

That's "king" as a suffix not a prefix. Also part of a phrase.

You've lost me with the first passage about juries Jane?

I see no reason to apply the law as a juror in a society where ministers break the law with malice aforethought.

There ere already a few laws I would balk as judging anyway. But that's a different kettle of fish.

UK Microsoft customers still saddled with Bing and Edge, while EU users can dump them

https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/17/windows_bing_edge_eu_dma/

Juror's don't "apply the law", you probably know this. What they do, very importantly, is make decisions as to the innocence or guilt of the person before them regarding what that person is charged with, according to the evidence presented to them, to the standard of proof they are required to reach.

Your response in all cases, apparently, to being given such a responsibility is 'I acquit', automatically without even considering the evidence.

In that situation, what makes you confident that you've done your duty to the parties in the case, any more fully than the MP advocating law breaking has done his/hers?

Think what you like, I'll vote with my conscience thank you very much. You can do as you are told - it's your prerogative.

Maybe I'm not the only one

https://news.sky.com/story/extinction-rebellion-activists-who-smashed-hsbc-windows-found-not-guilty-of-criminal-damage-13010118

According to the group, the jury made several requests for further information during the course of the trial, including for an explanation of the Paris Climate Agreement, information on what the British government had done to address the climate crisis and an explanation as to how HSBC was able to come up with the estimated cost of the damage to the windows - just over half a million pounds - within hours of the action.

And who'd have thought I'd hear something my late DM sometimes muttered about broken windows ?

Jurors can, of course, base their decision on literally any factor they chose and aren't. Mercifully most take their responsibilities seriously.

Your support of lawbreaking is noted though @SerendipityJane I'll remember that in any future conversations we have.

What is it with Brexiteers and their total lack of nuance ?

"It's not A so it must be B"

I am on record as saying I am not an anarchist - I possess too many brain cells.

However not slavishly adhering to the narrative of a corrupt and dissolute government is not a support for lawbreaking or lawbreakers.

Understanding an argument does not imply support for it. And if people can't see past that, then they really haven't got the basic skills to engage in the level of debate needed to advance as a whole.

https://www.radioexe.co.uk/news-and-features/local-politics/cornwalls-brexit-replacement-cash-runs-out/

Cornwall Council has confirmed that the money it receives from the government to replace EU grants following Brexit will run out in a month’s time, leaving over £230m of fund applications by Cornish communities and businesses unmet.

Long time lurker on these threads but rarely post.

I live in Cornwall and as one of the poorest regions in the country this will hit hard. It wont affect the rich retirees and second home owners of course. 56.5% voted to leave the EU and no doubt it will be those who bleat about underfunded public services without making the connection between their vote and the council having no money to spend.

I'm not surprised; the shortfall was pointed out a while back. Between that and the sewage, it's a gloomy outlook.

The trouble is, I bet Cornwall will still return Tory MPs...

and then complain about them.

https://www.niesr.ac.uk/publications/revisiting-effect-brexit?type=global-economic-outlook-topical-feature

• Our estimates indicate that the negative impact of Brexit gradually escalates, reaching some 5-6 per cent of GDP or about £2,300 per capita by 2035. The reduction in real incomes resulting from the fall in the UK terms of trade associated with changes in trading relations with the European Union and the fall in productivity are the largest contributors to the estimated reduction in real GDP, with each accounting for over 2.5 percentage points.

*and then complain about them
*
It is the British way don't you know 🙄🤬

Presumably why we struggle with foreigners and their different ways.

Imagine being so common as to change supplier because of bad service !

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/18/europe-eu-european-citizenship-union-turkey-ukraine

To answer the question in the title, because it would be blocked by the UK government who would make it an offence for UK citizens to seek it.

Yes please!

Already filed under "this will never happen". Have you forgotten Betteridges law ?

Haven't had the time to watch this yet, but it looks interesting;

https://byline.tv/brexitdocumentary/

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/eu-didn-t-believe-boris-johnson-s-madman-no-deal-brexit-bluff/ar-AA1keruV?

Just so you know, it's perfectly legal to call Irritable Duncan Syndrome "Tory scum".

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/nov/21/protesters-iain-duncan-smith-tory-scum-reasonable-court-rules

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-parliament-conservative-european-houses-b1121883.html

Found a benefit, governemt can't blame the EU any longer for their mess, (from the BBC of all places)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67516117

Found a benefit, governemt can't blame the EU any longer for their mess, (

And ?

We live in a country where people born in 1990 are still happy to blame Wilson and Callaghan for all the countries woes.

The narrative is simply going to shift from "it's all the EUs fault" to "it was all the EUs fault".

Well obviously

I was just taken by surprise with that headline