Brexit mega thread part 12: David Cameron: Return of the King

[SerendipityJane]

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That's "king" as a suffix not a prefix. Also part of a phrase.

I've been on these threads long enough to remember many many people saying they would take the extinction of the Tories as a very poor consolation prize for Brexit. They were of course rubbished by all the people who are now nowhere to be seen. Even Clav has given up. And to all those people who commented that Clavs sudden coolness on the Tories seemed to coincide with Nadine Dorries not getting a peerage, I say shame on you for such a thought. Shame on you and shame again.

She reacted to it on a different thread

@SerendipityJane They are clearly incapable of understanding the concept of known unknowns.

How can an unknown be known?

This is quite a well-known and useful concept used by the military that came to the attention of the general public when Donald Rumsfeld used it in 2002. I’m surprised a well informed person such as yourself hasn’t encountered it before.

There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know.

@HannibalHeyes We don't wantto be in any trading blocs - we've already voted on that, and referendums last forever

UK continues to trade with the EU and has recently joined CPTTP. So, where does the "we don't want to be in any trading blocs" come from?

The 2015 EU referendum act stated the UK must have a referendum as per the wording:

The referendum(1)A referendum is to be held on whether the United Kingdom should remain a member of the European Union.

Link is:

European Union Referendum Act 2015 (legislation.gov.uk)

UK may have another referendum whether or not to re-join the EU.

A new £24m border control post may have to be demolished because repeated changes to post-Brexit border arrangements have left it commercially unviable.

https://news.sky.com/story/portsmouths-new-brexit-border-post-could-be-demolished-without-ever-being-used-13099358

@prettybird But there again, who needs or heeds pesky experts?

Well, they were no where near the mark in 2016.

500,000 to 800,000 increase in unemployment
4% drop in GDP by July 2018
And Camerons forecast of WW3!

"The 2015 EU referendum act stated the UK must have a referendum as per the wording:

The referendum(1)A referendum is to be held on whether the United Kingdom should remain a member of the European Union."

You really do have problems with basi comprehension don't you.

Where did the 2015 EU Referendum act come from? FFS this is basic stuff. If the government hadn't drawn and enacted that act then it wouldn't have been required. Do I really have to spell it out for the slow ones at the back?

And where was our referendum on joining the CPTPP? You seem to be trying to ignore that one. I wonder why?

"4% drop in GDP by July 2018
And Camerons forecast of WW3!"

Well, they reckon that it's more like 6% now, so that's a great win!

And looking at Ukraine and Palestine, and what China is doing, I'm not sure how far away we are.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/former-british-mp-furious-he-has-to-wait-too-long-at-the-borders-to-enter-eu-post-brexit/

That's definitely a parody account! Not a bad one though.

The Portsmouth Border post is small fry
compared with the huge one in Kent
22 miles from the port

because drivers would NEVER stop in a lane and break their seals
would they ?

Ignorance noted and factored into the level of debate.

Seems that some Labour polices are now only possible because of Tory Brexit.

Weirdly the only 2 Tory Brexiteers I know sent their kids to the local grammars. Typical really as they're taking up spaces someone more deserving could have taken. They can well afford private but why waste the money? They're the kind who are laughing at the farmers "not knowing what they voted for" and pretending to be Labour voters when they're not being quite racist.

I don't think the Kippers have heard of the policy actually, it's not been mentioned when I've seen them recently, more the incompetence of Tories in general and the state of the NHS.

Sadly the people I know who can afford the top tier boarding schools can probably handle the tax increase without too much suffering and wouldn't mention it. I think MN isn't really representative of that lot, more the MC lot.

I was trying to explain this to a couple of Brexit voting friends this morning.
Their heads were exploding
https://www.etiaseu.co.uk/

Funny how the bloc we left has far tighter border controls than UK without crashing it's economy. Almost like we went backwards...

Bummer: reading the detail of the ETIAS, depending on my travel plans, I may have to get one and then within a few months pay for another one as my passport runs out in 2026 (I think officially in July 26 but effectively in I think February 2026 as I renewed it slightly early last time so it's valid for more than 10 years).

I'll probably just end up renewing my passport early - especially with the need to have 6 months validity on it.

Effectively I need to consider that passports have a validity of less than 9.5 years, to allow time for renewal and the extra validity required on them

@SerendipityJane - can you start a new thread before this one fills up?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/eu_referendum_2016_/5034406-brexit-mega-thread-part-13-all-eyes-on-ireland

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You can imagine this post contains a lot of whatabouttery to give our resident propagandistas a well earned break

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