Brexit mega thread part 12: David Cameron: Return of the King

[SerendipityJane]

(previous thread)

That's "king" as a suffix not a prefix. Also part of a phrase.

Obviously they have decided that the next Labour government will need a hand, and have done something positive to help.

The brutal truth is our current government are now in the way.

Obviously they have decided that the next Labour government will need a hand, and have done something positive to help.

No, I think the benefit to the UK is purely coincidental. The main focus is the interests of EU manufacturers.

This, Horizon, the school visits visa arrangements, have all happened under a Tory government.

Labour has ruled out joining the Single Market or a Customs Union, never mind rejoining the EU

The EU will take the same attitude towards a Labour government as it has to the current Tory one. Adjustments here and there if they benefit the EU, its member states and their economies. That's it.

No, I think the benefit to the UK is purely coincidental. The main focus is the interests of EU manufacturers.

The wonder of living in a post truth world, is people are free to believe what they want. Facts being so .... facty.

Personally I tend to agree with you. However this far into the war, I don't give a flying fuck if suggesting the EU did that to help a future non-Tory government causes a few Brexiteers to lose their erections. In fact I am betting that if you were to slide that idea into the narrative, you would have some MPs demanding the UK opt out and refuse to engage. "Sovereignty" etc,

This, Horizon, the school visits visa arrangements, have all happened under a Tory government.

I refer you to the problem with facts in a post truth world. Also, while that is true, it won't be a Tory government that realises the benefits. So I also refer you to my initial premise. ...

@SerendipityJane are you suggesting that I'm a Brexiter? Because I'm not.

Labour's slogan is "Make Brexit Work". Its aim is to improve the current deal when it is reassessed in 2025, though without detailing exactly how,

I stand by my opinion that the EU will treat a future Labour government as it had the current Tory one.

Any changes to the Brexit agreement will have to benefit the EU, its member states and their economies.

Here's the BBCs write up on the car tariffs deal.

EU to delay tariffs on UK electric cars until 2027 - BBC News

Seemingly this applies only to electric vehicles. Simply, it appears to an admission of failure to build the capacity to produce 'enough' of electric vehicles to obviate the need for tariffs.

Seriously, they can't even produce the qualifying 45% of each electric vehicle in the UK or the EU to get round this? That's absurd.

Basically it's "we can't make the batteries, waah". Lets see what happens in 3 years, can the car makers be bothered to invest the sums needed to solve the problem?

Personally I'm hoping they don,'t and UK/EU EVs fail the test after the 3 years and either the prices dramatically rise or they have to source the batteries from elsewhere and change the rules. If the European car industry collapsed in 3 years time because of the EV absurdity I wouldn't lose a wink, personally.

Well, yes, battery production capacity is the reason for thf can kicking

There is enough planned and funded, though not yet built and functioning, capacity to overtake Chinese production by 2030.

"The companies with the highest production in 2030 are Northvolt, Freyr, ACC, CATL, and the Volkswagen Group. This would mean that European firms would produce around 58% of the goods consumed in Europe, with Chinese firms producing 22%.
Currently, EU battery manufacturing meets 50% of the demand in 2022,"
https://evmarketsreports.com/europes-battery-supply-to-ramp-up-by-2030/

We may well get another extension after 2027.

So it's protectionism on the part of the EU and the UK then?

IMO, put simply, if people want to have the ability to purchase electric cars at reasonable prices to the average consumer those vehicles cannot currently be built in Europe or the UK.

The UK could theoretically change that (Newsflash! it won't!) but the protectionism on show here simply mean European consumers will be paying over the odds for their cars for decades to come.

So it's protectionism on the part of the EU and the UK then?

In response to bribery, sorry, subsidies and protectionism from the USA.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jenniferdungs/2023/05/23/us-versus-europewho-is-set-to-become-the-leader-in-ev-production/amp/

The EU takes the economic and geopolitical threat from China seriously, but not as seriously as the US

The UK? The security services are very concerned. The main political parties can't make their minds up.

IMO, put simply, if people want to have the ability to purchase electric cars at reasonable prices to the average consumer those vehicles cannot currently be built in Europe or the UK.

Electric cars are the Rwanda for people who think they are above things like Rwanda. Another example of a post truth world where facts are whatever you want them to be. The never-improving charging infrastructure should have been a clue. But people don't do clues these days, it seems.

I write as one of the few % that would probably be a poster child for EVs. Enough off road parking for a fleet of cars and near enough to a substation to charge them too.

Imagine being told you can't heat or eat, because your neighbour needs to charge ...

(Weirdly I only saw that story because an old penfriend in the US did, and they remembered me writing years ago about living through power cuts and getting home to light the candles for my parents to get back from work. Apparently I remembered the lemon curd sandwiches as a power cut treat.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/power-cuts-energy-supply-uk-dowden-b2458560.html

@SerendipityJane are electric cars currently more, or less, expensive to buy than petrol/diesel powered ones?

If we carry on with this I think that the division between people who have the opportunity to charge on their own property's supply and those who must rely on public infrastructure (if they can afford personal transport at all!) is going to be a defining scism of this century.

are electric cars currently more, or less, expensive to buy than petrol/diesel powered ones?

It matter snot a jot if you can't fuel them, does it ?

you've lost me. fuel is currently very available and, if we choose to use it, will remain so for decades.

Electricity is also very available in the sense that it's possible to generate vast amounts of it but the infrastructure to get it to drivers is some way off maturity IMO.

Yay! More winning...

And colour me shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

No wonder they didn't want any reports coming out. Louise, you've been working with the Russians...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/07/russian-spies-targeting-uk-mps-and-media-with-cyber-interference

It's a bit bloody late telling us that now isn't it (like we didn't already know).

More winning

Part-time and shift workers to lose up to £248m holiday pay in UK rule change

Experts say alteration to holiday rights is one of the most significant erosions of employment protections since UK left EU

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/08/part-time-and-shift-workers-to-lose-up-to-248m-holiday-pay-in-uk-rule-change

Just looked at Peter Oborne’s website mentioned in a Guardian article on Johnson’s damaging premiership. Thought it would suit this thread.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Oof!

https://x.com/mrjamesob/status/1733461573916590368?s=20

The replies to this genuinely provide a comprehensive list of all the measurable benefits of Brexit…

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Kemi Badenoch

...and how, exactly do you know I'm not a Russian 🇸🇰

Congratulations on your written English. It's remarkable for a Russian - you've even mastered definite and indefinite articles.

(Tongue in cheek, obviously. These things don't come over in text. Any more than, say, a Russian accent.)

It's a damn shame the flag picture didn't display 😔aah well, I tried

Good news that the UK apparently sees education as fundamental priority. Not that you would think so if you lived here.

Headed by development minister Andrew Mitchell, the UK delegation at this week’s UN Global Refugee Forum will unveil what it describes as an “ambitious package” that includes delivering schooling to hundreds of thousands of refugee children.

Geography: where is Rwanda ?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/09/row-brews-between-home-office-and-foreign-office-on-eve-of-un-refugee-summit

EU leaders have agreed to open accession talks with Ukraine and Moldova.

President Zelensky: "This is a victory for Ukraine. A victory that motivates, inspires and strengthens."

https://www.politico.eu/article/us-president-joe-biden-shelves-trade-pact-with-uk-2024-election/

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you. Shocked.