I need some positives

[Vegeetas]

Quick preface, I have always believed that two people can think differently about a thing and remain friends. I am not asking this to throw stones at anyone or pick a fight, I am genuinely in need of something to be optimistic about.

My question is two fold. Why did you vote for brexit and what actual benefit do you think it will bring? Everyone I have spoken to that admitted to voting for brexit and Boris haven't been able to suggest even one thing that is positive that we couldn't already do.

Help!

Quicker vaccination programme.

See you in the pub in the Spring.

Not this again, it's been done to death on here. Take a look at some of the older threads.

Brexit had fuck all to do with the different vaccine programme. We were still in transition when we decided to go for the go it alone option. Any of them could have done the same . They fucked it up.

TerryHearn Quicker vaccination programme.

Can you explain how we COULDN'T have done this if we'd still been part of the EU? Thanks.

Mamamia It's been 'done to death' in terms of people asking for positives for years. In response, we've had speculation with no real substance. The difference is, WE HAVE NOW LEFT, so those positives should now be manifesting themselves and this should have become an extremely simple question for Brexit supporters to answer. So what are the benefits? Given the wholesale disruption Brexit has caused, the advantages should be massive. Otherwise, there's no rational justification for causing such damage to so many SMEs.

Being immune to the internal political pressure that led to the EU's vaccination catastrophe.

The (relative) tumbleweeds on this thread say it all: there aren’t any. But for now, the government is making sure that wall-to-wall good news stories about the vaccination program keep negative stories about Brexit, cronyism/awarding of contracts to pals, etc. buried. Kind of transparent, but it’ll all come out in the wash.

The relative tumbleweeds on this thread are the refuseniks, that small handful of people still drinking at the bar and banging on about their personal grudges long after everyone else has stopped listening to them and happily gone home.

@Mamamia456

Not this again, it's been done to death on here. Take a look at some of the older threads.

I've been looking and honestly, all I saw was gammony bluster that were right out of the Farage buzz word playbook.

Now we are definately OUT, I was hoping some sensible cooler heads were actually able to come up with something to lift my spirits slightly.

OP seems a tad impatient. Come back in 10 years. We'll know then.

Why do people keep asking this...whatever people voted the judge will be history. ...its what we now do going forward. how can it possibly be judged now.

I was hoping some sensible cooler heads were actually able to come up with something to lift my spirits slightly.

And there's your problem. The sensible, cooler heads weren't the ones voting for Brexshit...

@toomanyspiderplants

Why do people keep asking this...whatever people voted the judge will be history. ...its what we now do going forward. how can it possibly be judged now.

As much as anything I am trying to work out the allure of it which made it the thing to vote for, even in the face of documented evidence it was a bad idea the whole time.

I have almost convinced myself that I must be stupid for not seeing a single good outcome of it so thats why I am throwing it out there.

I am sure you are not stupid @Vegeetas. I don't believe the true consequences will be felt 2 months after leaving. personally I believe it was a poke in the eye because of the stifling of debate.

@toomanyspiderplants

I am sure you are not stupid *@Vegeetas*. I don't believe the true consequences will be felt 2 months after leaving. personally I believe it was a poke in the eye because of the stifling of debate.

I am certain I am not in fact stupid but on the off-chance that I've missed a blindingly obvious massive benefit (just one would do to start with), I am ready to face-palm and apologise lol

OP, I asked my very opinionated neighbour this very question when I discovered she had voted leave. She hesitated for a long while, gave me a few vague answers and then when I asked her to clarify she got very cross with me and shouted ‘sovereignty!’ I was then extracted from her living room. 😬
Fortunately she moved home not long after that. 😂

there are none
as you well know

Assuming you live in the U.K. OP, has your Granny/Mum/anyone CEV in your family had their vaccine?

We chose not to join the EU vaccine procurement scheme with good reason.

For anyone bleating on about 'but but but, we could have been in the procurement scheme and done our own thing too so it's got nothing to do with Brexit' spiel, I would beg to differ.

1. We would have had to forfeit any existing research/funding we had already undertaken independently (AZ).

1. If we were a member of the procurement scheme we would not have been able to negotiate our own individual vaccine contracts in parallel with the EU.

However, in an annex to the Commission’s vaccine strategy presented in June, the EU-27 countries agreed “not to launch their own procedures for advance purchase of that vaccine with the same manufacturers.”

www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/commission-takes-evasive-action-over-germanys-vaccine-side-deal/#ea-comments

We went our own way because we weren't tied to the EU rules and regulations on procurement. It's paid off in dividends and to quote the OP:

I am certain I am not in fact stupid but on the off-chance that I've missed a blindingly obvious massive benefit (just one would do to start with), I am ready to face-palm and apologise lol

I would say that was a blindingly obvious massive benefit.

See you down the pub in June Terry😊👍

Except...

We're doing well in the vaccination stakes, but we're still woefully behind in deaths (which some might consider vaguely important).

Meanwhile in the EU they are making sure the poorer countries aren't falling too far behind, so that the virus won't be spreading from one country to another so quickly.

Meanwhile, people with the Brazilian strain are being shunted form the airport straight onto the tube...

gammony bluster....wanders off....

OP, I have a lot of sympathy for your approach. As a remainer I have spent a lot of time trying to see some positives of Brexit as I wanted to feel less sad about it, and less disappointed in the people who voted for it, including some in my own family. Unfortunately I don’t think there are any significant positives. Sorry.

I think we just have to accept it as bad thing that people have done to us and that we have to live through, and hope that things will get better in time.

@HannibalHayes

Except...

We're doing well in the vaccination stakes, but we're still woefully behind in deaths (which some might consider vaguely important).

Meanwhile in the EU they are making sure the poorer countries aren't falling too far behind, so that the virus won't be spreading from one country to another so quickly.

Meanwhile, people with the Brazilian strain are being shunted form the airport straight onto the tube...

there it is the but but but ......

We are doing well in the vaccine stakes, why is that?

Yes, we are woefully behind in deaths, where would we be now without our own independent vaccine rollout? You only need look at the figures of the last three weeks to see the huge benefit this has had.

If you are talking poorer countries within the EU then yes, when you are procuring for 27 countries then that is exactly what you should be doing.

No idea what people with the Brazilian strain being put on the tube has to do with Brexit.

Wasn't Brexit all about controlling out borders?

Strange how the other EU countries seem to be doing a better job of their borders.

Indeed, the French had full control of our borders in December...

Wasn't Brexit all about controlling out borders?
Not for me it wasn't.

Strange how the other EU countries seem to be doing a better job of their borders. Are they?

Indeed, the French had full control of our borders in December...
Mmmmm - He closed the French side of the border thus turning the U.K. side into a car park, slow clap for him👏.Don't have time for Macron's willy waving/ posturing/tantruming, call it what you will, (that continued into Jan/Feb). Doubt he'd try that again but it provided reaffirmation for me

Don't have time for Macron's willy waving/ posturing/tantruming

I call it an object lesson in exactly how pathetic all the Brexshittier posturing was.

I call it an object lesson in exactly how pathetic all the Brexshittier posturing was

Call it what you like Hannibal but if you want a pathetic posturing competition then Macron puts even Brexiteer posturing in the shade (I think it must be something to do with 'little man syndrome' )