I need some positives

[Vegeetas]

Quick preface, I have always believed that two people can think differently about a thing and remain friends. I am not asking this to throw stones at anyone or pick a fight, I am genuinely in need of something to be optimistic about.

My question is two fold. Why did you vote for brexit and what actual benefit do you think it will bring? Everyone I have spoken to that admitted to voting for brexit and Boris haven't been able to suggest even one thing that is positive that we couldn't already do.

Help!

Thehateis Hang on i never said UK slaughter houses were better or worse than any other countries ones.

the fact remains we only have so many vets and vets have to be on site, that means less local slaughter houses.

Of course brexit means we can ditch the eu vets and go back to inhumane and unhygienic treatment of animals.

Raising your own animals for food, is very much a middle class pursuit, i think thats beyond dispute.

Well, too many Local Slaughterhouses and Livestock Markets were closed down.

This was nothing to do with the EU - there was a good radio programme on it about 2 or 3 years ago, although I don't remember what it was called now.

As for EU vets - the reason being that British ones prefer to look after domestic cats and dogs. Maybe the Government ought to introduce a scheme to direct labour to slaughterhouses - a sort of compulsory citizens service for those qualified?

UK EU trade slumps....
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/09/uk-germany-trade-slumps-brexit-covid

Other news sources are also covering this, in case they don't believe the guardian.

Well sod the middle class takeover of raising livestock for food and barter - because I agree with you jas they have. I was blessed to experience the last years of small scale livestock rearing before the 'moneyed' completely took the countryside over.

I'm biding my time until I find another 1 or 2 like me, put our resources together and buy our own suitable place. Or I'm emigrating to Albania.

@TheHateIsNotGood

Well sod the middle class takeover of raising livestock for food and barter - because I agree with you jas they have. I was blessed to experience the last years of small scale livestock rearing before the 'moneyed' completely took the countryside over.

I'm biding my time until I find another 1 or 2 like me, put our resources together and buy our own suitable place. Or I'm emigrating to Albania.

See, if you hadn't voted for Brexit, you could have moved to any number of EU countries and happily continued farming on a small scale.

A small holding in France, let alone the former soviet countries, is very cheap in contrast to the UK, plenty of local slaughter houses too.

Please don't tell me you also have an EU passport.

@TheHateIsNotGood
Still wait to know where you would put the EU/UK customs border without ripping up the GFA and fucking up 20 years of peace?

No EU Passport for me jas and whilst I saw the appeal of some EU countries for small scale farming as well as some ex-CCCP countries prior to EU Accession; it just so happens that my firm UK alternate has been Albania since before the BrexRef. I've just been hanging on making sure ds is as sorted as possible first.

Bloody funny really, not only did I vote for Brexit but I'm a Fan of Albania too - what a combination .

Oh hi Ken - I wouldn't have a Border as it's not needed, seeing as you're asking. The RoI doesn't want a border, the UK don't want a border so the only thing that wants a border is the EU, coz, like, it's Treaties, and stuff dontcha know.

It'd be far easier and more peaceful to rip up the EU Border in Ireland than rip up the GFA. And let the people continue to live in the Peace they've had for more or less 20 yrs; except for the insidious Fear that some like to prey on. Eg: The EU and you Ken.

The RoI doesn't want a border, the UK don't want a border so the only thing that wants a border is the EU, coz, like, it's Treaties, and stuff dontcha know.
Um no
its the WTO that requires borders between different customs regimes
Keep up

So you make a CU between RoI and UK, using some EU Reg that allows such things, or create an EU Reg if one doesn't exist would be a far easier path to follow and in accordance with WTO Rules.

It's really not so difficult as it has been made to be - CTA, GFA, WTO and USA would be happy but, the EU needed/wanted to strengthen their Brexit Bargaining Levers/Tools and so we have what we have.

Frankly, I don't like bullies, big or small, and the EU bullies and I don't want to be a part of that although I appreciate how others find life easier and enjoy the benefits of supporting such Regimes.

So you make a CU between RoI and UK, using some EU Reg that allows such things, or create an EU Reg if one doesn't exist would be a far easier path to follow and in accordance with WTO Rules

CU ? you mean what Johnson has ruled out?

But a CU doesn't remove the issues, Turkey is in a CU with the EU but there is still a border, delays and custom posts - it needs to be enforced.... back to sq 1.

The only answer to the NI situation is for the UK to join the CU AND SM....
Can't be either or... because that means a border ie Turkey/EU or Norway/Sweden.

There is the possibility of a swiss style arrangement but thats EU membership in all but name.

HateIs

The EU isn't a regime or a bully - 27 countries freely signed up to join and as proved by Brexit, are free to leave, hardly the Soviet Union or China is it?
what brexitiers seem to struggle with is the concept of losing the advantages of membership.
Johnson signed this FT/cooperation deal, he didn't have to no one forced him to agree to separate off NI from GB.

Or I'm emigrating to Albania.
You could be back living in the EU in a few years then if Albania succeeds in joining. If not you just be joining the ever growing number of brexiteers voting Leave then moving their money, businesses and selves our of the UK. This option is only for the well off though, poorer people have had their chances for a life in the sun reduced.

This option is only for the well off though, poorer people have had their chances for a life in the sun reduced.

Which for some is the positive the OP was seeking.

the UK don't want a border

Which is nonsense, because one of the big selling points of the Referendum was to Control our Borders. Now it might be that the Brexiters really did think that the Republic of Ireland would happily fall in with them and also ask to leave the EU, in which case, problem solved. But that didn't happen.

Hey! Fantastic news! We can finally make ice cubes out of British water!

So you make a CU between RoI and UK, using some EU Reg that allows such things, or create an EU Reg if one doesn't exist would be a far easier path to follow and in accordance with WTO Rules.
I thought you were above rainbow unicorns

The easiest path would have been for the UK to stay in the SM
after all it is refusing to control its own borders at the moment
(in breach of the rules it signed up to)

@Peregrina

the UK don't want a border

Which is nonsense, because one of the big selling points of the Referendum was to Control our Borders. Now it might be that the Brexiters really did think that the Republic of Ireland would happily fall in with them and also ask to leave the EU, in which case, problem solved. But that didn't happen.

You have to remember that some Brexiteers didn't realised that Ireland was a sovereign country. And of that number a distinct non-zero subset still don't realise that.

Fuck #bekind. These people really shouldn't be allowed anything more challenging than shoes in their lives.

@anamazingfind

Maybe rephrase it and asked what was so wonderful about the EU? For every positive there will be a negative, and I expect the same can be said for Brexit.

Its not about EU being wonderful - of course, it's not, far from it. Its about destroying trading infrastructure that was built and has been working over 40 years. We had products, services and people flow and it was cut practically overnight. My bet it will take around 2 years for us to feel the consequences of Brexit.

Some Brexiteers realise that Brexit is not going on as was predicted by them before and after the referendum.
Daniel Hannah blames Theresa May for leaving SM and John Redwood is asking UK supermarkets to buy more fish... sigh

Thing is Brexiteers will NEVER blame Brexit or themselves or even the people who lied to sell the Brexit, it will always be somebody's else's fault. Look at Johnson and his own Brexit deal that is so shit just a few months in and he's breaking international law to escape from. Have you heard a single Leave voter hold him even 1% responsible FOR HIS OWN DEAL? Answer- No.

However, I do remember reading a somewhat eye opening post from someone on here who had been involved with the government

Why would you believe a single word of that though?
You need proper sources not just anonymous randoms, probably with their own agenda, from the internet. I'm not saying the above isn't true btw I'm just shocked anyone would even consider something like that. As for not voting, people often slag non voters off and say they don't have a right to comment etc. I completely disagree and actually have a lot of respect for people who didn't vote in the EU referendum. They were clever enough to realise that this was far to big a question for 99% of voters to have a proper grasp of. It's the people who know nothing more about the EU than the Daily Mail headlines but act like they're a fucking expert who piss me off. Unfortunately there are loads more of them than there are of you. Asking people like me if we should stay in the EU is like asking me what sort of reactor they should use at Hinkley Point. Having said all that, how Brexit could (and has) endangered the peace in Ireland was relatively easy to understand.

I don't think anyone thought that the EU was Utopia. As for the wanton waste - yes, there certainly was a lot of that. However, our current Government is more than a match for that: £37 billion spaffed on a failed track and trace system led by one of Johnson's cronies - and that's just the start. Just think, that £37 billion could have provided £350 million a week for the NHS for two years.

The waste in the EU would have been a good case for Britain trying to promote reform, not flouncing out in a strop but wanting to retain the benefits.

But part of the problem with Brexit, is that Johnson and chums have handled it badly. May's negotiations would have kept the whole of the UK in the customs union, which would have avoided the NI problems, but Johnson and the ERG scuppered that.

What is happening with the EU ratifying the deal? DH just said that it's likely they won't now because of the vaccine situation. Is it still possible that No Deal that everyone was worried about at new year could still happen?