Deal!!!!!!!!

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Just been announced

@cyclingmad

Hardly embarrassing

Whats embarrassing is people still moaning about it. Its done. You can either carry on complaining which isn't really going to change anything or you can move on and enjoy your life in this country.

And if you really hate living here plenty of other countries to move to e.g. Europe that you love so much. Go live there if you think we did the wrong thing.

Then again its all remainers do is insult and be nasty like telling leavers they are uneducated, idiots and so on.

If the vote was to remain I wouldn't be moaning and embarrassing myself by not accepting what the country has voted for.

That's even more embarrassing than the previous one.

Is it supposed to be a satirical joke?

From Twitter;

#Brexit is culmination of decades of failure of UK to become a modern decentralised federal state with a fair voting system, empowered citizens, well-resourced local govt, clean politics, good civic education, a balanced economy, & decent housing & social conditions for all

@HannibalHayes

From Twitter;

#Brexit is culmination of decades of failure of UK to become a modern decentralised federal state with a fair voting system, empowered citizens, well-resourced local govt, clean politics, good civic education, a balanced economy, & decent housing & social conditions for all

Largely I agree with this. Brexit was the wrong answer to many pertinent questions.

Brexit does not prevent the UK.moving forwards on these issues, just makes it all harder due to making us poorer.

Can someone who understands Eurasmus please explain the financing because this quote from the BBC (which is quoted in support of the scheme) surely can’t be right???

“Since 2014, almost €1bn [£900m] of funding has been distributed to UK Erasmus+ projects, with over 930,000 participants involved."

People who think Brexit is ‘done’ clearly haven’t the remotest idea what is coming.

@HannibalHayes

From Twitter;

#Brexit is culmination of decades of failure of UK to become a modern decentralised federal state with a fair voting system, empowered citizens, well-resourced local govt, clean politics, good civic education, a balanced economy, & decent housing & social conditions for all

I think it will take a change in the electoral system for any meaningful change and for that to happen it would need Labour to recognise it cannot beat the Tories under the FPTP system without electoral pacts.

I just hope they realise that in my lifetime. One General Election with a pact between Labour, LD, SNP, PC, Greens and any other progressive parties with a commitment for major electoral reform would do it.

The Tories can get an 80 seat majority off the back of 40% of the vote. It needs to change.

And that's going to be very difficult with our dreadfully biased right-wing press.

Brexit deal summary (not my own):

What we've lost:

• Frictionless customs free trade in goods with 30 EU-CU member states
• Free movement of services, capital & workers with 31 EU+EFTA countries
• The automatic right to live in 31 EU+EFTA countries
• A say/veto in the making of all new EU trading/environmental/social standards and regulations
• Banking passport (no confirmation of equivalence rights been granted)
• Access to European Arrest Warrant
• Access to all EU Agencies (EIT, Eurojust, EBA, etc., unless ref'd below)
• Access to all EU programmes (Erasmus, Galileo, EGNOS, funding, etc., unless ref'd below)
• Fast lane access in EU airports
• Mutual recognition of qualifications
• Right-to-air UK TV & VOD Services in EU
• The right to buy duty-paid Excise Goods in EU countries without having to pay UK Excise Duty when imported into the UK (ie bye-bye booze cruises)

What we've kept

• Membership of European Common Aviation Area
• Membership of Common Transit Procedure
• Some fish

What we've kept but with reduced status

• Tariff-free trade in compatible goods (under Rules of Origin, tariffs apply if goods are more than 40% not of UK or EU origin) Not as straightforward as this. There are varying rules of origin depending on the goods' commodity code as per Notices 826, 827 and 828.
• A third country access mechanism to Schengen SIS II, PNR & Prüm databases.
• Third country cooperation agreement with Europol and Eurojust agencies (highly reduced access)

What we've kept temporarily (until current 7 year plan expires, unless we pay for another 7 year plan)

• Access to Horizon 2020, Copernicus and Euratom Research & Funding Programmes

What we've gained

• Some extra fish that probably hardly anyone will want to buy
• The return of duty-free (200 cigarettes, 18 litres of wine, 4 litres of spirits)

What the EU has kept

• Rights to public/government procurement
• Intellectual property rights (recognition of copyrights, trademarks, patents, etc)

@TatianaBis is so depressing to read it like that.

First step on the road to Irish reunification.

Yes, citizens in NI get a better deal than mainland UK!

@TatianaBis and in the newly resurrected Brexit Arms they're celebrating that they've won. I wonder what they'd make of your facts?

Can anyone explain why this deal is better than the one May got.

Why are Brits with holiday homes in the EU in for a nasty shock?

May didn't get a Deal - May was working on a Withdrawal agreement which would have kept the whole of the UK in the Customs Union - until such time as the technology developed to make this unnecessary. So she would not have split off N Ireland from Great Britain, and would not have committed us to greatly increased customs bureaucracy.

As to TatianaBis's list - which of the things we have lost will hurt the most?
I think the lack of access to the European arrest warrant is most likely to get the right wing tabloids screaming and have the not too difficult to see effect of seeing foreign criminals come here to avoid arrest. In the same way that Spain once had its Costa del Crime.

Lack of recognition of professional qualifications is going to hit a lot of people hard - But Johnson's attitude to that as we know is Fuck business.

[quote niynycachu]@TatianaBis and in the newly resurrected Brexit Arms they're celebrating that they've won. I wonder what they'd make of your facts?[/quote]
Er, since when have Bexshittiers cares about facts?

@Elephant4

Why are Brits with holiday homes in the EU in for a nasty shock?

Because they only get 90 days per 6 month period.

Serves them fucking right for voting for Brexit (obviously doesn't apply to those who weren't stupid enough to vote that way).

Sorry. I will be angry about Brexit until the day I die. Glad it wasn't a no deal, but whatever it, we will be worse off than we were.

Remainer AND also SNP supporter. Still, I am glad there is a deal. Worse than what we had by all means, but still better than no deal... for the moment.

Much better to have any deal given disaster of no deal. But those who are saying it is really quite a good thing you are missing no services agreements. I think you will find that the arts and culture and professional services sector exports will all be really badly affected (high quality jobs and lots of tax paid).

Sorry. I will be angry about Brexit until the day I die.

I flip between anger and optimism today.
The rejoin campaign can now properly start. I think it'll take a little while to take off but Brexit is really going to bite when Europe opens up to travel again and our young people feel the rights and freedoms their new blue passports strip them of.

Thank fuck it's not no deal though!

What does this mean for Ireland/GFA?

Yes, the arts has been a major earner for the UK. Now, visas will put a rather large brake on that.

Because they only get 90 days per 6 month period.

What? So people with holiday home only get to go there for 90 days every 6 months? I don't understand ... and don't know why I care really ...

plenty of other countries to move to e.g. Europe that you love so much. Go live there if you think we did the wrong thing.

Bit trickier now with our right to live and work in the EU gone.