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Brexit

Deal!!!!!!!!

337 replies

Bathroom12345 · 24/12/2020 14:55

Just been announced

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MarshaBradyo · 24/12/2020 20:24

although I can't see the gammons being happy with all those African students

Really? One thing university students love is international experiences and new thinking

Who cares what others think? If they do which I doubt as it wouldn’t even register who is at university

SebastianTheCrab · 24/12/2020 20:33

[quote AuldAlliance]@SebastianTheCrab

It's telling that you think your personal experience at Oxford in the past allows you to speak for MFL students in UK HE institutes in recent years. Were many of your Oxford peers aspiring to be MFL teachers in secondary schools?

Has it crossed your mind that it might just have been ever so slightly easier for your Oxford peers to gain access to exchange places abroad than it was for students from less prestigious universities? Which might explain why Oxford could remain outwith Erasmus.

I've observed the language skills of UK students from 15 [non-Oxbridge] universities worsen dramatically over the last 15 years, and seen them pick up slightly after Erasmus mobility here in an EU country. Almost all the incoming students from the UK and Ireland (100/year) who come to my EU university are language students, whatever your personal experience at Oxford in the past may have been.

Many of those students hope to become MFL teachers in the UK - their Erasmus mobility helps them become better linguists and provides them with cultural experience and knowledge that helps make their knowledge less abstract and allows them to enthuse pupils better.

If current MFL students don't have access to Erasmus grants and the relative ease of procedure offered by a big, structured programme, the obligatory third year abroad is likely to become unaffordable on top of fees and UK universities will be inclined to phase it out, thus making MFL less attractive and increasing dept. closures - there have already been lots of those and more are in the offing, post-Covid.

Moreover, in the past, MFL students who had an obligatory third year abroad very often worked as language assistants in other EU countries. However, those are also reciprocal: as the teaching of MFL in UK schools has decreased since becoming non-obligatory, the number of places available to EU language assistants has dwindled and therefore so have the corresponding places for UK MFL students looking to teach in EU countries.

Student mobility is not a waste of time or dimes - it allows those not fortunate enough to attend Oxford to benefit from some advantages that might otherwise be inaccessible.[/quote]

Not sure what the snide tone in your comment is about. I'm a state-school educated child of immigrants whose first language was not English.

And yes some of my MFL peers did go on to become teachers. Again not sure what you're trying to suggest with the snide questions.

And finally, again, Erasmus isn't the only opportunity for doing a year abroad. You can still do a year abroad. Losing one random scheme linked to a white-majority continent when there are hundreds of countries outside of Europe with far more potentially useful languages (hello China, Japan, Brazil, Russia) just isn't a big deal. Only inward-looking, European-exceptionalists think it is.

cyclingmad · 24/12/2020 20:35

Well if you still don't like the direction the country is going in, save up enough money and move to another country then where you won't be moaning so much about how bad the country is or the government is etc.

Leave those of us who are proud to live on the UK to get on with enjoying living here.

oneglassandpuzzled · 24/12/2020 20:37

@sobsanta

I'm a staunch remainer and I am extremely happy about this. The idea of a no deal January was a lot for me. This deal will never be as good as what we had in the EU but it's better than no deal!
Me too. And I like Ursula.
Eng123 · 24/12/2020 20:47

It's good we can move food in and out of the country in jan. It's bad that it came to that. It's hard to be pleased when Brexit is making us poorer, with less employment and environmental protections and I have had my right to live and work in 26 other countries removed. Apart from that it's a great deal. Of course the gammons have now empowered likes of Mog and Gove, great news for women and anyone with a bone of social decency left in them!!!

Eng123 · 24/12/2020 20:50

@cyclingmad
I fought for this country. Crass comments from people like you make me angry. I hate what Brexiteers have done to this country, I owe it to my country to be loud and persistent in my desire for us to return until we rejoin - remain voice are not going away or getting quieter!

inquietant · 24/12/2020 20:56

Honestly stop with the sour grapes! A no tariff/free trade deal is a brilliant outcome.

This is hopelessly naive. I'm of course glad we avoided no deal, but being poorer than we needed to be as a nation is absolutely not a 'brilliant result'.

Brexit is such an own goal.

inquietant · 24/12/2020 20:59

@cyclingmad

Well if you still don't like the direction the country is going in, save up enough money and move to another country then where you won't be moaning so much about how bad the country is or the government is etc.

Leave those of us who are proud to live on the UK to get on with enjoying living here.

This is a very embarrassing post.
RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 24/12/2020 21:07

This is a very embarrassing post

Absolutely

You’d think people would have stopped with the whole ‘if you dont like it leave the country’ schtick.

(I’ve also heard the go back to you own country one...which is similar)

cyclingmad · 24/12/2020 21:09

Hardly embarrassing

Whats embarrassing is people still moaning about it. Its done. You can either carry on complaining which isn't really going to change anything or you can move on and enjoy your life in this country.

And if you really hate living here plenty of other countries to move to e.g. Europe that you love so much. Go live there if you think we did the wrong thing.

Then again its all remainers do is insult and be nasty like telling leavers they are uneducated, idiots and so on.

If the vote was to remain I wouldn't be moaning and embarrassing myself by not accepting what the country has voted for.

OvaHere · 24/12/2020 21:11

Hopefully students wanting to spend time abroad will still find a way. My eldest spent a year working in the US about 6 years ago as part of a sandwich course (ex poly so not a flash Uni). Accommodation and meals were free, no uni fees that year so only outlay was plane tickets and visa. Earnings were enough to have fun on days off and spend a month travelling the US before coming home.

Admittedly you're not learning a language in the US but presumably Uni's will find ways to do similar within Europe even with the faff of some extra red tape.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 24/12/2020 21:12

And if you really hate living here plenty of other countries to move to e.g. Europe that you love so much. Go live there if you think we did the wrong thing

Then again its all remainers do is insult and be nasty like telling leavers they are uneducated, idiots and so on

Never told anyone on here that they are uneducated or an idiot

ListeningQuietly · 24/12/2020 21:14

Anybody who thinks Brexit is done has not read the documents.

Customs clearance will be a HUGE drag on trade in goods.

Services are not in the current deal - so will be haggled over for years to come.

Agricultural labour is an elephant in the room.

Reciprocal professional rights will become a bigger and bigger issue.

Brits with holiday homes in the EU are in for nasty shocks

but hey, Blue Passports

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 24/12/2020 21:15

You can either carry on complaining which isn't really going to change anything

Worked for farage

BrandySours · 24/12/2020 21:15

There won't be an 'EU' as others will follow. It will return to being just a single market which was the idea in the first place before Brussels got too big for their boots.

Very much this ☝️
Single market was great idea - Maastrict onwards was awful 🤷🏻‍♀️

sally067 · 24/12/2020 21:16

@cyclingmad

Well if you still don't like the direction the country is going in, save up enough money and move to another country then where you won't be moaning so much about how bad the country is or the government is etc.

Leave those of us who are proud to live on the UK to get on with enjoying living here.

Revolting post. Standard nationalism rhetoric too that you're supposed to doff your cap and support your government even when they're a bunch of w and corrupt as hell.

Bet you smirked whilst posting it knowing you voted that you were taking away our right (plus the rights of your friends and family) to do just that too.

inquietant · 24/12/2020 21:21

'Go and live somewhere else' is a child's response.

I have accepted Brexit is happening, but I'm not going to lie and pretend it is a good thing.

And I hate being called a remainer still - just let it drop. I'm a fellow citizen of Britain, that's all. I love this country and am sorry to see my country weaker and poorer, ever.

HannibalHayes · 24/12/2020 21:22

@BrandySours

There won't be an 'EU' as others will follow. It will return to being just a single market which was the idea in the first place before Brussels got too big for their boots.

Very much this ☝️
Single market was great idea - Maastrict onwards was awful 🤷🏻‍♀️

Again. Evidence?

Bore off...

HannibalHayes · 24/12/2020 21:23

Strange how these Gammons have the same tired responses...

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 24/12/2020 21:24

@HannibalHayes

Strange how these Gammons have the same tired responses...
Thats really not helpful, no need to be mean 😒
HannibalHayes · 24/12/2020 21:25

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ListeningQuietly · 24/12/2020 21:26

Go and live somewhere else
is an inappropriate comment.

Those who hated Trump voted him out rather than move to Canada.

Those who hate Brexit will carry on to work to make the UK back into a better place.

Those who hate what Assad has done to Syria are fighting him
not running away like cowards

HannibalHayes · 24/12/2020 21:27

Thats really not helpful, no need to be mean

Yeah, 'cos the gloating Gammons are being so sensitive...

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 24/12/2020 21:28

No need to lower yourself to their level hannibal

🎄

HannibalHayes · 24/12/2020 21:29

Maybe not, but it still can be fun...

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