Deal!!!!!!!!

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Just been announced

Because they want to live out there permanently. Now they can't. Yet they still voted for Brexit because of English exceptionalism. Now they have to find somewhere to live back in the UK for at least 6 months. And be a burden on the NHS. And get health insurance.

It would take a heart of stone not to laugh at the stupidity...

Well I’m not a no-dealer and frankly couldn’t give a shit abou5 the fish, and I’m devastated. So, so upset about Erasmus. Such a kick in the teeth for students, especially languages students. FFS.

Well I’m not a no-dealer

An idiot then. So who give a fuck what you think. Bloody gammon

Sorry, misread that. Scrub that last post.

I've read on Twitter that the Ehic is going to survive (or continue under a different name). One good thing if true.

Other than that I'm pretty depressed. It's not even like we're only losing one or two things, we're losing so many things, it's difficult to comprehend.

Yet they still voted for Brexit because of English exceptionalism. Now they have to find somewhere to live back in the UK for at least 6 months. And be a burden on the NHS. And get health insurance.

Yes, and no. Some were disenfranchised. Cameron had promised to re-enfranchise them but never got round to it. How would they have voted? This is a moot point. I know of at least one Briton resident in the EU, who still had the vote, who voted Leave. I strongly suspect as someone working, not a retiree, he will have to take out citizenship of his country, and relinquish his British citizenship.

Others, those on the enclaves on the Costas who don't speak a word of Spanish, are going to be in trouble.

Ha! Never been called a bloody gammon in my life!
Coming back to say that languages degrees will survive - after all students go to Russia and China etc, but it’s yet another obstacle and mean-spirited act. And yes, I know the government is promising the Turing scheme, but a) it’s not famous for keeping its promises, b) the whole point about Erasmus is cultural exchange, not a programme set up and run by just one exceptionalist country.

I am not so confident that languages will survive in much more than a bare bones fashion. This in part is due to Gove's meddling whilst in charge of education and not insisting that pupils studied an MFL post year 9. So with the supply of students drying up, university departments have been closing.

As someone has already remarked - we could have set up the Turing scheme anyway and encouraged the EU to adopt it.

I studied Russian at university and did a semester there. The visa was a pain to get (and expensive) and I remember being jealous of the grants Erasmus students received. I think scrapping Erasmus is an awful thing, it will only make it harder for people to study languages.

@Peregrina anyone who has proper residency will be fine, they're protected under the WA. Anyone who hasn't bothered, not so much. And believe it or not, there are some Brits in Spain who were too arrogantly stupid to do so. Most however did panic and sorted out the paperwork that should have done before anyway.

First step on the road to Irish reunification

I wish ppl would stop saying this as a fact. It is something the majority of people in both NI and ROI do NOT want. The ROI cannot afford nor do they want to take on NI’s economic drain and ppl in NI don’t want to lose their NHS healthcare.

Reunification is an idealist notion only.

Polls show that Irish people do not want it for practical reasons.

Some people clearly do want reunification. The situation in NI has now changed though, or will do in a few days time. I suspect that how Westminster handles the new situation will have an impact. Few people can have been impressed with the way NI issues have been handled by the current Government.

Posted too soon.

Was going to add that in the same way that the vast number of people in the UK had no particular opinion on the EU until Cameron called his referendum but did so to try to stave off Farage and UKIP and now we are where we are, don't overlook a minority wanting reunification and going on until they get it.

@cyclingmad

Well if you still don't like the direction the country is going in, save up enough money and move to another country then where you won't be moaning so much about how bad the country is or the government is etc.

Leave those of us who are proud to live on the UK to get on with enjoying living here.

HaHa You mean like you did for the 45+ years we were in the EU? just moved back have we?

You Brexitiers moaned and winged about a democratic vote but stayed here in the UK, hating every govt we ve had since 1973, hating the direction we were moving in but perfectly happy to live here! some even moving to Brussels, becoming MEPs and milking this system you so despised!

But the moment anyone exercises the democratic rights you have used, we hear the cry "Move somewhere else if you don't like it" forgetting your vote has taken that option away from 66m people both now and for for future generations.

@raskolnikova

I've read on Twitter that the Ehic is going to survive (or continue under a different name). One good thing if true.

Other than that I'm pretty depressed. It's not even like we're only losing one or two things, we're losing so many things, it's difficult to comprehend.

From the UK Summary of the Agreement, para 118:

In addition, the Protocol will ensure necessary healthcare provisions –akin to those provided by the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) scheme – continue. This means individuals who are temporarily staying in another country, for example a UK national who is in an EU Member State for a holiday, will have their necessary healthcare needs met for the period of their stay.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948093/TCA_SUMMARY_PDF.pdf

@Peregrina

I strongly suspect as someone working, not a retiree, he will have to take out citizenship of his country, and relinquish his British citizenship.

As CaptainSandy says he should be OK for work, etc, as long as he is legitimately resident in his host country.... The expats who might run into difficulties are those who didn't bother with the "legitimate" bit...

@Thismustbelove entirely accept and understand your point. Had this drummed into me by my Irish mum since childhood. However, the unionist community has been sold out by the Tories. A special economic zone for NI is the best solution.
Seen plenty of articles in Ireland saying that a 51% vote for reunification in the North - which GFA allows for - isn't enough. As evidenced by the 52% shit show of the Brexit vote.
It needs to be overwhelming in the North AND in Ireland before it happens. But this is pointing now in that direction

By "pointing in that direction " I mean the conversation is starting. Long road ahead and much soul searching.

@Thismustbelove

First step on the road to Irish reunification

I wish ppl would stop saying this as a fact. It is something the majority of people in both NI and ROI do NOT want. The ROI cannot afford nor do they want to take on NI’s economic drain and ppl in NI don’t want to lose their NHS healthcare.

Reunification is an idealist notion only.

Polls show that Irish people do not want it for practical reasons.

Agreed. If anything Brexit makes Ireland unification less likely not more. Some do want it of course but actually the majority don’t in both countries. The north do not want to lose access to the nhs, bbc, U.K. Uni’s, pound etc etc etc and Eire cannot afford to take on the north either. I actually think the north could be in a good position, access to both the EU and U.K. markets. Could be great for them.

Th Irish fishing community are not happy with losing access to U.K. waters. They think the EU sold them out a bit and are wanting reparations from the other EU countries in fishing quotas.
But overall seems like Eire are ok with the deal, better than no deal for them ( and us obviously too)

By "pointing in that direction " I mean the conversation is starting. Long road ahead and much soul searching.

Hasn't the conversation been going on for the last 100 years though? This deal won't make it go away.

From what I have read of fishing - it was quite conditional - the British Government needs to rebuild its industry. Truthfully over the last 10 years or even the last 40 Tory Governments haven't shown much appetite for investing in industry.

what does the circle mean>

You Brexitiers moaned and winged about a democratic vote but stayed here in the UK, hating every govt we ve had since 1973, hating the direction we were moving in but perfectly happy to live here! some even moving to Brussels, becoming MEPs and milking this system you so despised!
Don't be such a drama queen! Most leavers haven't moaned and whinged and certainly haven't hated every government since '73! Don't rewrite the narrative to fit your bitter attitude to Brexit - if you value your MH you might want to accept what's happened and make the best of it instead of lashing out.

Farage certainly moaned and whinged non stop. This should be clear from the above context. He'd better shut up now, he's got what he wanted.

@Peregrina

By "pointing in that direction " I mean the conversation is starting. Long road ahead and much soul searching.

Hasn't the conversation been going on for the last 100 years though? This deal won't make it go away.

From what I have read of fishing - it was quite conditional - the British Government needs to rebuild its industry. Truthfully over the last 10 years or even the last 40 Tory Governments haven't shown much appetite for investing in industry.

Yes exactly, this deal is good for U.K. fishing communities. They have certainty now over U.K. waters which they didn’t in the EU. It’ll be a growing industry now and great for those communities. The Irish have always fished in U.K. waters (as that is where the fish are) but will now not have such good access ( hence their annoyance with the EU)