Are there any Brexiters left?

[Miljea]

... on here, or more or less anywhere on SM? The last entry on 'Leave Means Leave' is months old. Though I understand most sites are 'member only', now....

I am really quite surprised how they more or less evaporated on MN! They appear to be gone!

Why?

Was I an idiot to respond to so many, like, off the top of my head, mummmytime? Were they a bot??

The Arms collapsed. The victors are, well... gone!

Why is that?

Anyone who knows me will know I am a Remainer, but I patiently read, often 500 threads!- pros and cons, to 'get a handle' on the direction of travel.

However, now absolutely no one, bar Clav, is standing up for Leave.

I find the silence more chilling than the arguing.

@ineedaholidaynow

So what do you think the deal will be *@ShowingOut* and apart from banning live exports what benefits do you think there will be? And do you think Boris will do the best for us, as he hasn't exactly shown us how competent he can be in the last few months?

I think that The Deal will be one thing, and within it will be agreed that further Mini Deals/Agreements will take place in the future.

The benefits will be that we can choose how we support and patronise our own industries. We will also, because the French and Spanish will have to cave, have more control over our fishing waters. And yes I know that that isn't a massive amount of GDP, but - as Macron knows - it's a very emotive subject, for them as well as us.

As for Boris, I certainly think he'll do a better job of the Deal than Theresa May. He may not be competent at Covid, but he's got good people working on the Deal.

@DuncinToffee

I always saw the brexit arms as an extension of the loud brexiteers you see on sm, all about emojis, flags and namecalling and not much else.

I'd like to think that most leave voters wouldn't want to be associated with them.

Yes that's not my type of thing at all. But apparently all us Brexiteers are the same

(Not according to you, but plenty of others)

@DuncinToffee

I always saw the brexit arms as an extension of the loud brexiteers you see on sm, all about emojis, flags and namecalling and not much else.

I'd like to think that most leave voters wouldn't want to be associated with them.

This is what’s laughable.

Remainers bleeting on and on about leavers being loud and name calling when they are doing it themselves. The most aggressive name calling posts I’ve seen are off so called enlightened liberals.

Take an honest look in the mirror about your own behaviours.

Dumb
Thick
Racist
Loud
Idiots
Xenophobic
Knuckle draggers
Uneducated

All from the lovely remainers.

People are allowed to have an opinion that differs from yours. But many many posts ended in a dog fight with the leavers being accused of the above.

If we'd had a competent government who had delt with covid, and avoided/ mitigated against a second wave,
So what about the governments of Netherlands, Belgium, Poland, France, Czech Republic, all of whom are ahead of the UK in terms of heading into the second wave - are they all equally incompetent?

Thing is ShowingOut , I and others tried in the Arms. And got treated disgustingly. I don't mean a bit of banter, I mean calling me a rat that needs cleaning out.

Rather than why don't the Brexiteers come here any more, I'd be more interested to know why the Remainers still bother, given it is all over? Why do they persist with the "leavers are racists" narrative especially since that did them so much harm at a time when the result could still have been overturned? Are they ever going to blame the lack of leadership in their own camp for messing it all up?
It's all just a continual droning on about how Leavers are racists/thick, Boris lied, Cummings doesn't understand anything - and yet they are in power with a massive majority and driving it through. I looks to me like you are asking the wrong questions.

Yawn. Not persisting with the "all leavers are racist " narrative. Give it a fucking rest with playing the victim.
It would be nice to see a few "ok, we hoped it would be great immediately but it's a bit shit and I hope it gets better "

@ShowingOut

The benefits will be that we can choose how we support and patronise our own industries.

Doesn't the Japan deal tie our hands on state aid to industry? I seem to remember something about China being taken to tribunal at the WTO over state aid, which suggests the WTO also imposes limits. I might not be right on the above. I do know that in the pass European countries have given more state aid to some of their industries than we ever did. I don't think it was the law holding us back so much as our culture.

Brexit pales into insignificance compared to the economic disaster that Covid has caused. I'm surprised anyone really gives a shit about Brexit anymore!

Brexit pales into insignificance compared to the economic disaster that Covid has caused. I'm surprised anyone really gives a shit about Brexit anymore!
This, totally.

leavers are racists

Most leave voters I know are racist. Admittedly not every single one of them but certainly most of them. I remember four years ago defending Leave voters being accused of racism, I used to think the racist Leave voters I knew must just be a bubble I was living in (my family and their friends). However, four years of following Brexit supporting groups on sm (mainstream million followers groups, not talking EDL ect) has made me think differently. Leave has a huge problem with racism. Even Nigel Farage abandoned UKIP because of too many racist (he's on record saying so), imagine, they were even too racist for him. I remember one of the worse things I've seen on Leave EU was just after grenfell fire, loads and loads of posts saying all those people shouldn't have been in the country anyway, and getting thousands of likes. Horrific.

Now I know, before you come back and say 'not all leave voters' blar, blar, blar. I know, it's not all Leave voters and I'm sure there must be some racists within Remain. I have never seen any racism on Remain sites though (I follow them as well).

I agree that Covid is causing an economic crisis. But we only need to look at our... ahem... EU neighbours to see that they are working together to get through it. Which has to be better. We can fuck off.

Well all the remainers telling us what we are like, even on this thread you all know we're - Trump supporters, racists, dim - think it's all over and don't seem to realise there's a trade deal to be done still. That sort of thing so I don't bother. might when we actually have the deal we want like for fishing, oh wait, EU seem to be caving o that one!

I know we still have the trade deal to complete but if Macron continues to insist that the fish in UK waters are his then we will leave with no deal. I'm OK with that

Equally, they are not our fish either, just the waters, some species will be of the coast of Portugal in the winter, in the channel during summer.
South Devon Scallop fishermen will lose access to french waters, remember the running battles they had with french boats when an agreement on access ran out?

The tragedy for the environment is that with no overall fishing agreement, the UK will over fish, which is why we had an imperfect CFP in the first place, then they'll be none.

Because it’s over, we left the EU on 31 January this year. They won. We lost. That’s democracy. Keir Starmer has made it very clear that the issue is closed and we all have to move on.

The end .

The benefits will be that we can choose how we support and patronise our own industries

LOL! Worked well with the motorcycle and car industries in the 50s 60s and 70s?
Germany and other EU countries have great manufacturing sectors, if you ve a great product it doesn't need propping up.

Even if we do get a fishing deal, I cannot see the people who voluntarily sold their boats and quotas, suddenly deciding that yes, they would like to buy them back again. Fishing is a very small part of the UK economy and I suspect that it will stay that way.

Still here.

Just agree with the others, fed up if the name calling and abuse on here from 'Remainers'.

So the Brexiters have piled in - not to tell us about how great it is, but to complain about being called names. Why, you won?

Peregrina, they were answering the question asked, which was why they don't come here. If you want to ask a different question, specifically do they think it's great, I doubt very much they'd have the time/inclination to answer that either, because things are not yet finalised or had the chance to work through.

But well done for trying to turn the fact that they are not answering a question that wasn't asked in the first place into a sly dig, thereby illustrating further why people generally would not want to engage.

further why people generally would not want to engage.

Its really terrible the division that referendum has caused. The only way I can see it being healed is if Brexit voters are proven right and peace is maintained in NI, the economy roars ahead, our young people still have the same (or better) opportunities for travel and the sunlit upland are delivered. I will then gladly apologise and say that you were right. If Brexit is a disaster, I can't see the country healing for a long, long time.

@Peregrina

So the Brexiters have piled in - not to tell us about how great it is, but to complain about being called names. Why, you won?

The whole point of the post was OP asking where have all the leavers gone and why are they being so quiet.

If you want a thread asking leavers to tell you why it is so great start a new thread .... oh wait there is already hundreds of them ..

jasjas why on earth would the UK over fish it's own waters? At the moment we have massive EU factory ships coming into our protected areas and fishing illegally! Good riddance, I say. The % of GDP derived from fishing has nothing to do with it. It's got to do with us having control over our own waters. It's our waters we need control of not the fish.

Why did anyone overfish in their own waters? However, they did so and hence the need for quotas to preserve fish stocks.

@Parky04

Brexit pales into insignificance compared to the economic disaster that Covid has caused. I'm surprised anyone really gives a shit about Brexit anymore!

Wait until after 1st January and say that, it'll be twice as much shit flying our way then. Try being furloughed and then see the food bill increase by 20%.