Westminstenders: The Non-Pact Pact

[RedToothBrush]

The Brexit Party and the Conservatives have agreed a trumpian pact to no deal. Led by the ERG.

They don't want you to know its a pact because the Conservatives still want One Nation Conservatives types to believe they are still One Nation Conservatives, simply because they say they are. They are not.

The Brexit Party won't stand any candidates in a Conservative held seat. But don't be surprised if there isn't more Non-Pact tactical stepping aside. This of course won't be a Pact. Cos the Brexit Party say its not. And the Conservative Party say its not.

The Liberal Democrats, Plaid and the Greens are in an electoral pact. They say they are in an electoral pact and have published a list.

Meanwhile the Labour Party isn't in a Pact. But there is still talk that in key seats that someone (either the LDs or Labour) should stand aside to try and deseat key Conservatives. This won't happen because the Lib Dems and Labour are not in a pact. And when they say they are not in a pact they aren't.

If after an election we have a hung parliament then either the Conservatives or Labour who are not in a pact and say they will never be in a pact, will try and woo someone to a kingmaker and be in government with them, probably on a supply and demand basis rather than coalition. They'll deny this but we kind of know how this goes...

Labour and the Lib Dems need to wise up, fast.

pmk

Pink. Thank you Red. Any bookies taking odds yet for ‘Sir Farage’ in the New Year Honour list?

First page pmk this time!

A proper proportional representation system would do away with all the lies and the selling of pigs in pokes.

A Trumpian pact! Is that a bit like the Lib-Lab pact?

PMK
I woke up with horrible stomach cramps. I'd been dreaming of the compare the tacticals site. FPTP is an appalling system.

Pmk

PMK

I saw this on a friend's FB and decided to post it here - it's still the Eleventh here:
twitter.com/BBCArchive/status/1193836108766941184?s=04&fbclid=IwAR3AzEfDkQpY1vFeXiMR0mggu-xI-Rb-AjNem6UJ3Sh5tIdWr6RRP-vAPv0
It's a very articulate and moving reflection on the inhumanity and horror of war by a WWI veteran, a German.

Apologies if this has already been posted -
www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/107889/british-public-more-bothered-about-sorting

58% of Remain voters said they would pick their preferred Brexit option over maintaining the Union.
64% of Leave voters said they would pick their preferred Brexit option over maintaining the Union.

An early morning Place 🐈

Are percentage approvals like those enough to warrant a break up of the U.K.? Sad but now seems inevitable - as long as enough people primarily affected do agree?

Leaving us stuck in England and possibly Wales with a bunch of mercenaries in charge.

Red's post clearly brings out the difference between the two pacts.
1. Lib Dem/ Green/ Plaid Cymru completely transparent and published. No bribes involved or money changing hands. No overseas involvement.
2. Tory / BXP completely denied there was a pact. Unknown secret terms. Apparently involves personal benefits and public office being bestowed on charlatan Farage. And someone asked Trump for his munificent approval.

As I said on the other thread. Why is all this ok with the Tory faithful?

Rant warning.... Why is all this ok with the Tory faithful? Why?

Here's a list partially repeating my question from the other thread why don’t faithful Conservative voters have a problem with a party leadership that :

•	Enters secret pacts with a toxic lying dodgy self publicist..
•	Takes £million bungs from Russian donors (who clearly have an agenda(?
•	Is prepared to jeopardise peace in NI and gamble the -former- union of the U.K.
•	Imposed austerity on many regions and public services in the U.K. but is now prepared to borrow hugely to further it’s own ends. 
•	Suppresses normal  impact assessments on legislation to conceal the negative effects of Brexit .
•	Suppresses an intelligence report into Russian meddling in the referendum and election.
•	Gives out billions  to the DUP (and Farage?) 
•	Tries to circumvent constitutional propriety and parliamentary processes many times including trying to avoid a vote on Article 50 and subsequent terms and  illegally suspending parliament. 
•	Uses  taxpayers’ money not Tory party funds  to give -bribes-  funding  to northern Tory marginal seats.
•	 Uses  taxpayers’ money not Tory party funds to run Facebook campaigns directed at those seats - all for party political purposes.
•	Has leaders who believe their superior intelligence would save them in a burning building and 'others' those who died.
•	Has leaders who believe in ‘individual choice’  to such an extent that it’s not the role of the state to supply well funded healthcare or education.
•	Has leaders who believe businesses should be minimally taxed and regulated with the market dictating how workers are (mis) treated.
•	Has a leader elected by a tiny fraction of the country who is an adulterer, has a child he hasn’t met, goes after young women and other people’s wives, and was sacked for lying twice. Is adulterous while his wife's having cancer treatment.

Why is this lack of integrity, lack of transparency, immorality, double standards, callous othering of the less privileged all ok?

Surely rebuking them with 5 years of anything else, any alternative is a risk worth taking?

Hi lonely, baffling isn’t it?
I looked at the excellent comparison of all tactical voting tools website linked to on the previous thread and think that for the first time ever I might vote Labour.
www.livefrombrexit.com/tacticals/

Oh and FWIW my Catholic upbringing informs me that people will believe absolutely anything, however far fetched, ridiculous, cruel and inhumane if they think there’s something in it for them

Hi lovely Born - sorry I'm ranting.

The Tory party has shifted to a scary extent. I don't understand why so many millions just don't see or care about what has been going on.

According to local analysis, Tory/Brexshit Pact helps our local sitting Labour MP by splitting the Brexit supporting vote. Which is what Johnson is afraid of. That's the actual pact he would prefer, not some bollocks "we won't waste our time in constituencies you already have". My once safe Labour seat could be a target because it is a Leave area AND the local MP has pissed people off on a local NonBrexit environmental issue.
Things therefore look very different here.

if they think there’s something in it for them

Yes that's what it all boils down to.

I always remember in my student days debating with my flat mate's Tory boyfriend who would regularly turn up with a MacDonalds. I explained all the many points factory farms, rainforests, salt and sugar content, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure,rising obesity,chickens too large to support their own body weight by just six weeks old,small, dark, unsanitary mass cages.Waste runoff from cow manure,dangerous water and land pollution, greenhouse gases etc.etc

He ended it by shrugging and saying " But I like it".

Ever since I have thought that the " But I like it" or 'something in it for me' is so powerful for so many. I bring up my DC to vote based on what's best for the country as a whole not themselves.

Pmk

@lonelyplanetmum OMG yes. That sums up my experience of being a veggie and in my younger days pointing out the issues surrounding meat. I was always met with a shrug and "but I like it" kind of response. Or "well I'm not going to stop eating meat." My family mainly. In terms of the tories I was trying to explain to mum the other day about how my "Tory to the core" brother has helped keep us both in austerity induced financial difficulties. Mum was entitied to help from the DWP with her interest only mortgage after my dad died. Last year or the year before the DWP wrote to her to say she was no longer entitled to this and had to take a loan out to pay what they had been paying. This will be taken out of her estate when she dies. So by the time the existing mortgage is paid off along with the loan there'll be very little left for the family which upsets mum. I'm not bothered from my point of view as I don't think inheritance is a right. I do think it's amusing though that my brother will get less thanks to his Tory principles. My mum really struggles to get her head round someone she loves voting for a party that screws over those already struggling. Thanks to the benefit cap I'm £250 a month down. I can't wait to get back to work.
Before anyone asks, mum and dad had a dodgy financial adviser recommended by her sister's husband who lied to get them that mortgage that they'd never be able to pay off. They were in their 60s and not working due to long term ill health ffs. They wouldn't have got a mortgage without his lies.

The ' what's in it for me' and 'but I like it' seems to underpin everything.

All politicians need to do is be convincingly duplicitous and pretend that 'what's in it for them' is also for you- and they're on a home straight.

A politically fatigued PMK

Thanks red

PMK and thanks Red

*Wayne BayIey
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....and the rest. I employed a full time campaign coordinator last week on a 2 month contract which has cost me thousands. I also have an outbuilding FULL of Brexit Party leaflets and signs ready for next weeks launch.

Nigel owes me over TEN GRAND.*

Just look on it as stockpiled toilet paper, mate.