Westminstenders: The Non-Pact Pact

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The Brexit Party and the Conservatives have agreed a trumpian pact to no deal. Led by the ERG.

They don't want you to know its a pact because the Conservatives still want One Nation Conservatives types to believe they are still One Nation Conservatives, simply because they say they are. They are not.

The Brexit Party won't stand any candidates in a Conservative held seat. But don't be surprised if there isn't more Non-Pact tactical stepping aside. This of course won't be a Pact. Cos the Brexit Party say its not. And the Conservative Party say its not.

The Liberal Democrats, Plaid and the Greens are in an electoral pact. They say they are in an electoral pact and have published a list.

Meanwhile the Labour Party isn't in a Pact. But there is still talk that in key seats that someone (either the LDs or Labour) should stand aside to try and deseat key Conservatives. This won't happen because the Lib Dems and Labour are not in a pact. And when they say they are not in a pact they aren't.

If after an election we have a hung parliament then either the Conservatives or Labour who are not in a pact and say they will never be in a pact, will try and woo someone to a kingmaker and be in government with them, probably on a supply and demand basis rather than coalition. They'll deny this but we kind of know how this goes...

Clinton has no official position, hence shouldn't have access

The Intelligence Committee in Congress might, or mamybe not yet

Labour will: #GE2019
✅ Tax the Super-rich
✅ Raise Corporation Tax to 26%
✅ £5 Billion Robin Hood Tax on the City
✅ Close Mayfair Tax loophole
✅ £1 Billion annual levy on oligarchs
✅ 50p Tax on those earning £123K+
✅ A Fat Cat levy on those earning £350K

Why waste all those words?

Labour will: Wage Ludicrous Class War!

Clinton has no official position, hence shouldn't have access

So ?

We're post-fact, post-truth, post-everything. This isn't the world we grew up in. This isn't how life was supposed to be. Nothing is as it was, or as it should be. But this is what we are bequeathing our grandchildren.

Labour will: Wage Ludicrous Class War!

Not much class involved.

Mummy - why do you think the EU is not endearing itself to UK voters?
The constant snide tweets and remarks from the likes of Tusk and Verhofstadt. And I speak as a remainer. Not good optics.

Can you give examples?

Sorry I've missed those. I've seen comments about Boris Johnson. But I agreed with them.

Place marking

Thanks pretty. Can always rely on you for the cats. 🐈

Snide remarks ?

After the insults from Brexiter politicians calling them Huns, Nazis etc they've been very restrained

And after spending 3 years negotiating with a govt which didn't know what it wants, didn't plan, keeps changing its mind and its leader
and shows abysmal ignorance about how international trade & the SM works ... the've been amazingly patient

Read newspapers from around the world - they are all laughing at the UK govt performance
Our friends are shocked
Even those on the far right are contemptuous about the incompetence

Tusk tweeting after each extension "Please don't waste this time" is a desperate friendly warning, not snide

The "Place in hell" for those politicians who called Brexit without a plan is horror at what this could do to the UK.
many Remaines agree with him.

He has been a very loyal friend to the UK, lobbying EU heads of govt all the time to grant extensions etc
His successor is not such a known anglophile

Nick Boles: Appalling Choice contest must start the process of building something new

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/appalling-choice-contest-must-start-the-process-of-building-something-new-a4283876.html

In years to come it will be known as the Appalling Choice of 2019.

It will be cited alongside classical mythology’s Scylla and Charybdis

• the one a six-headed monster and the other a whirlpool - spelling death and destruction for any passing ship.

It will be recorded as the only election in modern times in which you wouldn’t trust either of the prime ministerial candidates to mind your children for an hour, let alone run the country.

Verhofstadt
In February 2019, Verhofstadt said that Brexit leaders such as Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg would suffer a similar fate to the leaders of the French Revolution and "end up on the guillotine

Guy Verhofstadt said support for the European Union has increased since Brexit because EU citizens are not "as stupid as the Brits"

To be fair @derxa, most people I know would agree with them.

Guy also donned one of those yellow Bollocks to Brexit t shirts and campaigned with the LibDems. Some people might find that a tad annoying.

To be fair @derxa, most people I know would agree with them. I might agree with them as well but that's because he supports a remain point of view. The comments are still jarring. There's an odd narrative on here that 'Europeans' are all wonderful non racist people. A discussion recently about French racism was particularly ridiculous.

Oh well you're right then derxa.

I hope Guy Verhofstadt's first prophecy comes true and agree with him on his second judgement - so going back to Mummy's point about the EU "not endearing itself to UK voters" - I continue to think that she's got that wrong.

I've been wondering about Farage's pact to stand down in tory seats and how this will affect the numbers, and how these numbers compare to the EU elections back in May.

BXP won 29 seats in May - however in 2014 UKIP had won 24 seats, so essentially he only won 5 extra seats.
The tories had 19 seats in 2014 and are down to 4 now. They lost 15 seats.
Labour lost ten seats.
Between them Lib dems/ Green/ SNP gained 20 seats.

I know this is done purely on numbers and not comparing maps but - it looks a lot like the tories lost 5 seats to brexit and 10 to Lib dem/ green. So only 1/3 of their lost vote went to the BXP. Meanwhile all of labour's lost vote went to remain parties.

Labour are now offering a 2nd referendum. I for one refused to vote labour back in May because of their brexit stance and am perfectly willing and cheerful to vote for them now because their stance has changed. I will not be alone.

If labour lost any seats to BXP (possible) then that only actually makes the losses from the tories to remain parties even more stark - greater than 2/3 of the vote lost went to remain parties. So whilst potentially BXP could pick up a seat in the north in the GE due to disgruntled labour voters (though UKIP never managed this) - this will probably be offset by swings to Lib Dems in the south.

And now there are a lot of angry BXPers let down by Farage and , instead of voting tory, just not voting.

I'm really not sure this non-pact is as good an idea as it seems on paper.

For people considering tactical voting , or talking to people considering tactical voting - remember to use this site www.livefrombrexit.com/tacticals/ which compares all of the sites, rather than just one of the sites. They do all seem to be reasonably in step with each other - Best for Britain being the biggest outlier. It makes it all very simple to see and understand.

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/amberjamieson/ronan-farrow-catch-kill-book-nbc-weinstein-lauer-clinton
Hillary is up to her neck in mire.

"not as stupid as the Brits"

Voting to make your country poorer is thought stupid by many

afaik, he didn't accuse leavers of racism though

I think Farage is wrong to try to pick off Labour voters in the North. I think there would be richer pickings for him in the northern parts of the E and W Midlands. Except of course, Farage won't know that this isn't 'The North', because that begins north of Watford to people like him.

Clinton will have a huge way to go to catch up with Trump down the mire

She was a godawful choice for the Democrats though,
another machine politician in a country that is fed up with professional politicians - hence choosing the most unprofessional one

I find myself idly wondering if that systemic non-voting 30% is the same 30% each time, or if it changes constitution over time and/or depending on the election ?

Now that's where "big data" and "AI" would deliver results. If they existed. Which they don't ...

another machine politician in a country that is fed up with professional politicians - hence choosing the most unprofessional one I have to agree. All the halfway decent people are fleeing politics. Only (true) narcissists persist.

Pmk!