Westminstenders: The Non-Pact Pact

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The Brexit Party and the Conservatives have agreed a trumpian pact to no deal. Led by the ERG.

They don't want you to know its a pact because the Conservatives still want One Nation Conservatives types to believe they are still One Nation Conservatives, simply because they say they are. They are not.

The Brexit Party won't stand any candidates in a Conservative held seat. But don't be surprised if there isn't more Non-Pact tactical stepping aside. This of course won't be a Pact. Cos the Brexit Party say its not. And the Conservative Party say its not.

The Liberal Democrats, Plaid and the Greens are in an electoral pact. They say they are in an electoral pact and have published a list.

Meanwhile the Labour Party isn't in a Pact. But there is still talk that in key seats that someone (either the LDs or Labour) should stand aside to try and deseat key Conservatives. This won't happen because the Lib Dems and Labour are not in a pact. And when they say they are not in a pact they aren't.

If after an election we have a hung parliament then either the Conservatives or Labour who are not in a pact and say they will never be in a pact, will try and woo someone to a kingmaker and be in government with them, probably on a supply and demand basis rather than coalition. They'll deny this but we kind of know how this goes...

Mistigiri, my DP's soft tory mates are in southwest libdem/tory swing seats
They say they won't vote for johnson

Some of them have said they'll vote labour. I think lots of people are still undecdided

DP has a load of soft tory mates down south from childhood, they earn £££ in finances and that. They say they won't vote for johnson. They all voted remain

If we take that the split among Tory voters mirrored the 52/48 split in the referendum then expecting 48% of them to have a Damascene conversion to Brexit is a stretch to say the least.

Is there a danger the Tories are counting unhatched eggs by assuming a loyalty that hasn't been demonstrated ?

Obviously there's a hardcore of Tory faithful who aren't too troubled with reality - so they'll not notice a missing manifesto. I wonder how that will play out with the wavering and floating voters ?

I'm clinging on desperately to the fsct that the polls were SO wrong in 2017....

(Wibble)

At least the labour candidate here looks decent.

I wonder how many of these London lawyers live in the Surrey stockbroker belt, and would have happily put their cross against e.g. Philip Hammond's name, but won't against 'Unknown Tory parachuted in at the last minute that we don't know from Adam.' ?

I think your discounting the. .. just get it done brigade.
Plus the ....Labour spending plans and .. anyone but Corbyn
People will think as they put their vote on the form, and I think your underestimating fear factor.

And now a cyber attack on the labour party. This election is getting real dirty.
I had Peter Aldous knock on my door yesterday our Tory MP. He was very chirpy until I asked him why he repeatedly voted against gay rights, gay marriage and workers rights, the minimum wage blah blah blah! He went quiet especially when I asked why workers rights were took out of WA agreement. I then told him that I would rather be dead than vote Tory/ Brexit party! He literally ran down my path!

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Ah, right, ok, you're going for the chaos v stability vibe.

Good idea.

Similar tweets have aged really well 👌
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A vote for Corbyn’s Labour is a vote for higher taxes and chaos of two more referendums. Only a sensible, majority Conservative Government will get Brexit done and provide the economic certainty that families and businesses need. twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1194186278557900800

Holly Rigby
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Labour’s plans for a 6 year education entitlement will cost £3billion, paid for in raising taxes on the ultra rich.

@jeremycorbyn
says:

“I’d rather give a break to the worker who wants to learn, than a tax break to the billionaire who wants for nothing.”

"I think your discounting the. .. just get it done brigade.
Plus the ....Labour spending plans and .. anyone but Corbyn
People will think as they put their vote on the form, and I think your underestimating fear factor."

You could well be right.
Tories haven't got anything with regards to Brexit done though have they. Lots of people feel that.
Lots of people are more scared of the far right takeover than they are of Labour's spending. which most people, looking around their communities, can see is needed! Even the tories are throwing money about now, or claiming they will.
Lots and LOTS of newly registered voters, mainly young, mainly concerned with housing and climate
It's wildly unpredictable I think, and the media's assuming it's all going to plan for the tories is very much the line they're pushing to avoid paying their taxes rather than reality.

Mistigiri, my DP's soft tory mates are in southwest libdem/tory swing seats. They say they won't vote for johnson

Yes plainly there are some seats where it may make a difference. The Cambridge area for eg is probably going to see a massive LD swing.

But it really does matter where the votes are.

Well done Sos!

That is the first time ever he has been round here canvassing. Are they worried? Don't think so as it's always been blue here unfortunately.

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The Cambridge area for eg is probably going to see a massive LD swing.

Cambridge swings between LibDem and Labour, there’s every chance Labour will take it this time. South Cambs is showing every indication of turning LibDem.

How I Fell Down a Right-Wing Brexit Rabbit Hole – and Came Out the Other Side

Steve Jones
12 November 2019

bylinetimes.com/2019/11/12/how-i-fell-down-a-right-wing-brexit-rabbit-hole-and-came-out-the-other-side/

Steve Jones recalls how Facebook took him on a dark journey and why he now regrets voting to Leave the EU.

Why is "The Pact" OK?! Someone asks. I should start by saying that it isn't really from my POV, I don't like voters being denied the opportunity to vote for candidates artificially as a rule. I don't like it when the Lib Dems, Plaid and the Green Party do it, and I don't like it when the Brexit Party does it either.

That said, if there is a "stand down" agreement between Pro-Remain parties, and there is, one which was explicitly sold "an opportunity to tip the balance of power" www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50327937

then why is it suddenly wrong for the pro-Leave Brexit Party to make a similar move? It should be noted that in certain circs, the Lib Dem Plaid, Green "Pact" requires 2 candidates to stand down in some seats which is a greater denial of voter choice IMO.

I know that's a bit "but s/he started it?!" but that's what I think.

In some ways I think the retirement and replacement of some rather good representatives (on all sides) of a more moderate character with more extreme candidates, particularly by the Conservatives and Labour bodes worse for the next Parliament than this "Pact" does.

Well last time Oxford West and Abingdon managed to overturn a 9500 Tory lead - so it can be done.

This time of course, we have to hang onto the seat, and I hope, get a couple of adjacent ones, but that is a tall order.

I've mentioned before how the organisation I work for runs educational programmes supported by the EU Social Fund for people short of qualifications (for a host of reasons) and so unable to progress in the workplace. These programmes can change people's lives. These are the figures (totals, not just for education - the EUSF supports other projects):

United Kingdom (2014 - 2020)

4,759,186,919 (EU decided amount in Euros)

3,932,873,385 (national co-funding amount in Euros)

8,692,060,304 (total)

ec.europa.eu/esf/main.jsp?catId=443&langId=en

Rather puts various parties' spending commitments in the shade.

James O'Brien (tiresome gobshite) on LBC has just had a "Just Get It Done" merchant on.

• But what is "It?"
• It doesn't matter what It is, just get it done.

Glad we've cleared that one up.

then why is it suddenly wrong for the pro-Leave Brexit Party to make a similar move?

It's not that. It's the sly, dishonest way they have gone about it. "We're not making a pact", they say, and then do just that. Have we heard any of LibDem/Green/PC leaders say to the other parties that if their party gets a majority, there will be a peerage for the other two? Not that I know.

No way we can overturn the tory majority here...Gina's website has it at 61%

Sorry but I don't think there is a pact.
I think Boris said no.
Then Farage realised he would get an own goal by standing in every place.
He then went to chat with someone and decided why not target where you can gain the most. This man may not be liked but he isn't stupid.