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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of â…” of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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wondering7777 · 29/10/2019 17:14

Oh good god - it's still going on! Does anyone know when the actual vote on the election will take place? I can't take much more of this!

Alsohuman · 29/10/2019 17:14

I wonder if some of those amendments are to make Johnson pull the bill so there’s a vote of no confidence.

Basilpots · 29/10/2019 17:15

Wasn’t Layla Morans in their own manifesto at some point.

Caroline Lucas shouldn’t even have to her clauses in, they should be there anyway.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 17:15

Seccond reading vote at around 6, final vote around 8 according to the bbc.

Basilpots · 29/10/2019 17:16

8pm I think wondering

I’m sure I will be corrected if wrong.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 29/10/2019 17:16

Loved that speech by Vaizey

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 17:16

That does depend of course on the government not pulling the bill.

ListeningQuietly · 29/10/2019 17:17

Just placemarking and picking up on a comment by DGRosetti about
16 and 17 year olds voting
I seem to remember the logic being that if kids start to vote when they live at home with parents, they carry on for ever ....

wondering7777 · 29/10/2019 17:18

I wonder if some of those amendments are to make Johnson pull the bill so there’s a vote of no confidence.

A VONC is fine by me, if it leads to a GE.

I see Bercow has just implemented a three minute speaking rule, thank god.

Thanks Basil

tobee · 29/10/2019 17:19

Are you that person DGR? Grin

Basilpots · 29/10/2019 17:20

16 and 17 year olds voting
I seem to remember the logic being that if kids start to vote when they live at home with parents, they carry on for ever ....

Not something the Conservative party would enjoy at the moment.

I’m surprised there is no amendment from Bill Cash asking for the voting age to be raised to 53...

wondering7777 · 29/10/2019 17:20

Big news...just posted by the Guardian!

Amendments on votes at 16 and votes for EU nationals not set to be put to vote

The amendments on extending the franchise to give EU nationals and 16 and 17-year-olds the right to vote in the general election have not been selected, according to Tony Grew (aka @PARLYapp).

This means the prospect of the government facing a defeat on these issues, and then deciding to pull the bill, has probably been removed.

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 17:20

Imma be honest. I want Layla's amendment so I can vote!!!

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 17:21

If I'm understanding it correctly that is!!!

RedToothBrush · 29/10/2019 17:21

Steven Swinford@steven_swinford
Here's the latest on the amendments on extending franchise:

Clerks advised they should not be selected. Lindsay Hoyle expected to accept their advice

BUT

They will almost certainly be tabled in the Lords tomorrow, where the Speaker does not select amendments...

DGRossetti · 29/10/2019 17:21

Are you that person DGR?

Unlike some, I'm not prepared to gamble with my families future or money.

Damn those principles (yes, damn those principles ....)

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 29/10/2019 17:21

Where is everyone again? I'm trying to keep up with what's going on and struggling as trying to do 5 things at once.

tobee · 29/10/2019 17:23

Do you mean us posters Bercows or the mps in the house?

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 17:24

Labour had reportedly been planning a VoNC later this week, but abandoned it when this bill was proposed

They could bring it back but ...... too many Labour MPs are scared of a GE
and have been telling Corbyn for months not to allow one until the polls are better
Some of them would abstain in a VoNC

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 29/10/2019 17:24

I seem to remember the logic being that if kids start to vote when they live at home with parents, they carry on for ever ....
I was trained from a young age to be a Tory. But I was also taken regularly to London and I saw the amount of homelessness and studied economics at a level and it made me question a lot. Couldn't vote in 1997, just slightly too young but wasn't sure if I'd vote Tory if I had. I've never voted for them yet, and currently don't intend to.

My df always thought under 18s shouldn't vote as they'd vote for things that cost too much money. Yeah, like education and healthcare. Evil kids Grin

Basilpots · 29/10/2019 17:24

Lords tried to amend Referendum Bill to get the Government to let 16 and 17 year olds.

Not that I think they will try it this time.

RedToothBrush · 29/10/2019 17:25

Sebastian Payne@SebastianePayne
🚨🚨 Only amendment to Election Bill selected is to move election date to December 9.

EU nations/16 years old NOT selected.

Deputy speaker @LindsayHoyle_MP has just significantly increased his standing with Tory MPs to become the next speaker.

wondering7777 · 29/10/2019 17:26

Via @PARLYapp
The @jeremycorbyn amendment changing the date of the election to Monday 9 December has been selected

Via @PARLYapp
In other words amendments on 16/17 year olds and EU nationals have NOT been selected.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 29/10/2019 17:26

And to think I liked him Angry

tobee · 29/10/2019 17:27

That's confusing. I'm getting used to chaos. But what is the point of the 9th? I thought that was to avoid the return of the Brexit bill?

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