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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of â…” of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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wondering7777 · 29/10/2019 18:09

SNP MP Tommy Sheppard saying this is going to be a Brexit election. He says Boris wanted to get Brexit done and then go to the electorate, which would have been a travesty - as it would be too late for the public to have a say. I wholeheartedly agree!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 18:13

I'm sad about the voting age amendment not being selected, but it's not the time to end up with such an important change to end up being rejected for the sake of Brexit.

NoWordForFluffy · 29/10/2019 18:15

I didn't see it mentioned on here, but apparently there's not only been a surge of people registering to vote recently, but 54% of those new voters are (I think, I don't recall the age bracket exactly) under 34. That's got to be good news for the opposition parties!

FadingStar · 29/10/2019 18:15

Remainers have got to get organised and vote tactically.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 18:20

Huge Swire, Con MP, total twat

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wondering7777 · 29/10/2019 18:21

Is what he's saying about NI legislation correct? I have no idea...

OhYouBadBadKitten · 29/10/2019 18:22

I'm going to miss Bercow so much :(

ClashCityRocker · 29/10/2019 18:23

I'm already rather worried about how tactical voting is going to work.

My local remainer fb page has already started with Labour members pointing out exactly how evil the lib dems are...🙄

I would happily vote either if there was a chance of ousting our incumbent Tory. It could have happened last time, but the vote was split between Labour and Lib Dem.

thecatfromjapan · 29/10/2019 18:23

I'm putting this here again. It's the Best for Britain tactical voting app.

I think their data is going to be the best.

twitter.com/bestforbritain/status/1189214880206917632?s=21

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 18:24

Knowledgeable folk. The Mammy wants to know why Bercow cannot chair the committee stage. Thanks.

MumInBrussels · 29/10/2019 18:24

Some EU citizens can vote in general elections in the UK, if they're also commonwealth citizens, as can other commonwealth citizens ( www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/voter/register-vote-and-update-your-details ) So the Maltese, Cypriots and Irish get to vote in general elections through that route, but no other EU citizens do.

It would be nice if the Conservatives remembered their manifesto commitment to remove the 15 year cap on expats voting rights, and if Labour were as concerned about overseas voters being disenfranchised as they suddenly seem to be about students. I won't hold my breath, though...

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 18:29

wondering afaik, they could pass the legislation for the NI budget during wrap-up, even with a 9 Dec GE and 1 Nov dissolution

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TheMShip · 29/10/2019 18:30

@PotterHead1985 it's because it's not his job, it's Hoyle's.

From Wikipedia:

In the United Kingdom, the Chairman of Ways and Means is a senior member of the House of Commons who acts as one of the Speaker's three deputies. The position is currently held by Sir Lindsay Hoyle, member of parliament for Chorley, who was elected by secret ballot on 8 June 2010.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 18:31

Also Commonwealth citizens who are not EU citizens can vote in UK GEs

e.g. citizens of Australia, Canada, NZ, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh .....

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Basilpots · 29/10/2019 18:31

New: No 10 says PM met with 10 of the 21 ex-Tory rebel MPs tonight - those 10 have all had the Conservative whip restored

Some of the rebels are back in ....

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 18:32

10 tories re-admitted to party.

TheMShip · 29/10/2019 18:32

New: No 10 says PM met with 10 of the 21 ex-Tory rebel MPs tonight - those 10 have all had the Conservative whip restored

Burt / Nokes / Greg Clark / Soames / Vaizey / Margot James / Benyon / S Hammond / Brine / Harrington

This apparently doesn't mean the other 11 will not get the Tory whip restored at some point - but those 10 followed the "process" asked of them

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 18:33

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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch
tobee · 29/10/2019 18:33

So my constituency less of a weird one! Makes tactical voting clearer!

TheMShip · 29/10/2019 18:33

Lewis Goodall:

It might not be over yet amendment wise

Report stage still to come later tonight

Amendments permissible then

Am told MPs working on amendments on 17 year olds voting etc, anything speaker might find in order

And crucially it’s Bercow who selects, not Hoyle

Hmm some confusion though as earlier house authorities thought report stage could be skipped...

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 18:34

Cross post!!

prettybird · 29/10/2019 18:34

Who are the ten Tory MPs who have the whip again?
Alistair Burt
Caroline Noakes
Greg Clark
Ed Vaisey
Margot James
Richard Benyon
Stephen Hammond
Richard Harrington
Steve Brine
Nicholas Soames

....no Ken Clarke, Justine Greening or Amber Rudd.

TheMShip · 29/10/2019 18:34

From that thread on amendments later:

No report stage if bill unamended in Committee. Unclear if Creasy amendment allows Bercow to call amendments if there is a report stage

Basilpots · 29/10/2019 18:34

Worried about losing the softer Tory vote after what Hammond said this morning??

NoWordForFluffy · 29/10/2019 18:35

No point with Ken as he's standing down.

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