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Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch

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BigChocFrenzy · 28/10/2019 11:59

The EU has decided to grant the UK's request for an extension until 31 January.

This will be a "flextension",
i.e. if the WA is approved by the UK and EU Parliaments before that date, then we will leave earlier.

and .... despite all his blustering promises, the weasel BJ lives on,
preening his whiskers in self-love.

The more gullible Brexiters haven't yet twigged that he lies and lies.
And lies....

Meanwhile, another attempt by the UK to decide what to do:

From 2:30 pm today, MPs will debate whether to allow a GE on 12 December

This is a govt motion under the FTPA, which means BJ requires the votes of â…” of all MPs - that's 434

Hence he would need Labour support.

BJ's condition for a GE on this date is that MPs agree to pass the WA / WAB by 7 November,
which is the last day before Parliament would be automatically dissolved before the GE.

Corbyn said he'll only agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table.
This cannot be made legally binding, but as noone would take the word of a lying weasel, it is difficult for this condition to be satisfied.

Polls suggest that a GE after Brexit would be likely to give the Tories significantly more votes & seats than a GE before.
Both Labour & Tory want to game GE timing to their advantage.

Also, most Labour MPs are opposed to a GE after Brexit, for fear of losing the votes of millions of angry Labour Remainers - and their own seats.

A few on the Labour left do want a GE asap,
but Nick Brown, Labour’s chief whip, has warned Corbyn that many MPs would disobey orders to vote for 12 December.

Hence, BJ is expected to lose yet another HoC vote.
If so, reports suggest that the Cabinet are split over what to do next:

Some ministers, e.g. Gavin Williamson, want to agree to the SNP / LDem proposal to hold a GE on 9 December.

This would be via an amendment to the FTPA or a separate 1-line Act
and hence would require only a simple majority of MPs present
It would also be the last chance logistically for a GE before mid-February.
BUT
would require BJ to abandon attempts to pass the WAB before this.

Also, such a bill would be amendable and Tories fear the type of amendments could be added
e.g. a CU, or votes for 16-year-olds.

Hence other ministers and the Tory chairman James Cleverley oppose this idea.

It is unknown how BJ will decide.
His record is of aggressive bluster, then caving in at the last moment, while pretending he has won.

The EU have saved our bacon yet again, but may be running out of eye rolls "Please don't waste this time"

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RedToothBrush · 29/10/2019 17:41

Bit of an odd poll but

Britain Elects @britainelects
Cambridge Westminster voting intention:

LDEM: 39% (+10)
LAB: 30% (-22)
GRN: 12% (+10)
CON: 10% (-6)
BREX: 7% (+7)

via @Survation, 16 - 17 Oct
Chgs. w/ 2017 result

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 17:41

Aw, we're losing a very good & faithful friend in a key position Sad
A nice guy

Donald Tusk@eucopresident

To my British friends,

The EU27 has formally adopted the extension.
It may be the last one.
Please make the best use of this time.

I also want to say goodbye to you as my mission here is coming to an end.
I will keep my fingers crossed for you.

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PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 17:45

@tobee in Ireland you can vote in GE if you are UK, but not if you are other EU

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 17:46

House of Lords 'unlikely' to revive failed Commons amendments

Kate McCann✔@KateEMcCann

Before speculation starts about amendments popping back up in the Lords,
a Labour whip source in the Lords suggests if they are ruled out of order in Commons as they have been it’s unlikely amendments would be brought back by peers.

Everything can shift but worth noting.

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Basilpots · 29/10/2019 17:46

Bercows tell your mum it’s never too late, being electorally promiscuous is refreshing.Wink

BirdandSparrow · 29/10/2019 17:47

Do UK nationals living in other EU countries like Spain, France etc get to vote in those countries' elections?

I've been in Spain 20 years so can't vote in the UK (and couldn't vote in the referendum) but I can't vote in Spanish GEs either as I'm not a citizen (yet). I can vote in municipal and European elections in Spain. That's it.

RedToothBrush · 29/10/2019 17:48

Parly @parlyapp
Second reading of the early general bill passes without a division

RedToothBrush · 29/10/2019 17:51

Faisal Islam@faisalislam
It is done...

The EU Council, including the UK, has officially in EU law extended the Article 50 timetable until 31 January 2020.

But Council says UK expected to name a Commissioner (who would have to pass European Parliament process)... an interesting short term contract opportunity for someone!

Westministenders: The weasel DIDN'T die in a ditch
BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 17:52

A General Election on Monday 9 December would require dissolution of Parliament on Friday 1 November.

So the Bill would need Royal Assent by Thursday 31 October (our not-Brexit Day)
and there would be very little "wash-up" time for the DV bill etc

("wash-up": Since any unfinished business is lost at dissolution, usually the Government & Opposition co-operate to quickly pass bills or parts of bills that both agree on, that are still in progress.)

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RedToothBrush · 29/10/2019 17:53

Henry Zeffman @hzeffman
Rumours spreading amongst Labour MPs that all triggers which haven't taken place have been cancelled. All sitting Labour MPs will be automatically re-adopted.

Selection contests underway will complete.

The rest will be selected using emergency procedures determined by NEC

HeyNotInMyName · 29/10/2019 17:55

@Basilpots, yes in France, overseas citizens get an MP to represent them (I think the EU is divided in 4 for example)

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 29/10/2019 17:56

I'm lost, what's happening?

HeyNotInMyName · 29/10/2019 17:59

But yes just to confirm what others have said, I am not aware of any country where a non citizens (eg Irish in the U.K.) can vote for a GE....
Which sounds very logical tbh.

RedToothBrush · 29/10/2019 17:59

GE highly likely on 9th Dec by my recogning.

I think we are just about there for saying its happening...

tobee · 29/10/2019 18:00

As I've said somewhere on here before, there's a feeling amongst some people that to vote for Labour is "not nice" and "not aspirational" and other middle class hang ups. HmmHopefully, it will die out soon.

Horehound · 29/10/2019 18:02

Really?

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 18:04

@HeyNotInMyName as I said. Ireland Smile

AutumnCrow · 29/10/2019 18:04

That's why That Nice Sir Keir Starmer is such an asset for Labour - although he's very under-used, what with him not being of the mo-faith

PotterHead1985 · 29/10/2019 18:05

Lads can someone tell me which amendments were allowed discussing?

tobee · 29/10/2019 18:05

If that was to me Hore, yes definitely, I'm afraid.

I'll be highly disappointed if the tv stations aren't doorstepping poor old Brenda from Bristol today. Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 18:07

Only the 9 Dec amendment will be voted on.

Paul Waugh@paulwaugh

Ah, Ian Murray amendment (7 May 2020 election) NOT selected. Amendment 3 is simply a technical title change as result of Corbyn Amendment 2. (h/t @tc1415 )

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Alsohuman · 29/10/2019 18:07

The Cambridge poll is normal for Cambridge, it regularly swings between LibDem and Labour. I don’t think it’s ever been Tory.

AutumnCrow · 29/10/2019 18:08

Laura Kuenssberg on BBC piece claiming MPs 'might push' amendments that have already not been selected. And now immediately having to correct herself. She's fucking awful.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/10/2019 18:08

Ian Dunt@IanDunt

Think the chances of govt pulling the bill now really very small.

An election for December is now pretty much a certainty.

Neil Gray, SNP, asks if govt will pull bill if amendment passes.
Dowden doesn't answer.
That strongly suggests they will not pull.

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tobee · 29/10/2019 18:09

It would have been batshit to have both of those date amendments. But given current other batshiterry not that many people seem to have turned a hair!

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