Westminstenders: Super Saturday

[RedToothBrush]

Parliament sits on a Saturday for the first time since the Falklands.

A deal has been reached with the EU. Its utterly shite and worse for the UK than May's deal. It even leaves no deal as an option after transition.

The DUP don't like it. They got predictably shafted.

Tomorrow is a debate and vote on the deal. Amendments are key, in particular the Letwin amendment which seeks to close a loophole in the Benn Act and stop the Deal being adopted tomorrow, instead forcing the ultimate decision over the deal to a later date and forcing an extension.

Which the EU may or may not agree to.

There is also talk of forcing another ref via amendments but this, unlike the Letwin amendment is unlikely to pass.

The vote tomorrow looks to be very tight. The Letwin amendment passes looks likely to make Johnson fail to have the numbers. However there is talk that enough Labour MPs have decided to back the deal.

There is also a big anti Brexit march in London tomorrow (which runs the risk of having problems with the Extinction Rebellion ban). Good luck to everyone going tomorrow.

See you on the other side (which might now be on this thread!!)

75% of new deal is the same as the old deal

That's very specific, how do you know that? Have you scrutinised both deals and worked out that percentage?

I think I'm going to give up puzzling it out for tonight.

Can you read 500 pages of a detailed contract in under an hour derxa ?

Liz Saville Roberts said that they'd only got a copy of it this morning - and the session started at 9.30.

And would you not also be wanting to check the implications of such a contract with experts and interested parties?

Given that a single misplaced comma can drastically change the meaning of a sentence, shouldn't such agreements need to be read carefully to understand everything that is in them?

Or should the MPs just blindly trust BJ?

Even though he's said contradictory things to different groupings in Parliament

Would Bercow need to seek advice if it was the WAIB rather than WA though? It sounded like the questions raised all were around whether they could bring the same thing in two consecutive sessions , I took that as they were trying to bring the WA again. Am probably totally wrong though.

He has sent the letter. We will now see...

That's why I'm confused, Post. But it was referred to as WAB which is also WAIB. The WA is only ever that.

Maybe they're bringing both!

It was pointed out they get more time to scrutinise a finance bill that lasts for a year than they have been given to for the WA which will effect people for many years to come.

I think this article helps a bit: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46393399

It was really confusing Fluffy and all those left in there looked confused I thought. Kirsty Blackman had gone down to see what paperwork had been put forward I think but I missed exactly what was said .

My other concern is that the specific clause that Smug said - in a point of order rather than a business statement - he was bringing back on Monday is a sneaky way of trying to bring back the deal by another route. And as such, the Letwin amendment wouldn't apply to it

It might be moot for Monday as Bercow may well rule it out of order (certainly sounded like that was his initial opinion) - but there's nothing stopping Smug doing it again on Tuesday.

But anyway, as Joanna Cherry has pointed out: it's automatically back at the Scottish Courts will on Monday to check that he has fulfilled the requirements of the Benn Bill (which hopefully includes attempts to frustrate the Benn Bill). So that will be interesting

ListeningQuietly
Great to read your update. Well done to you and all.

Apparently Johnson's second letter - the signed one - pleads with the EU to make all the nasty big bullies in Parliament who won't do what he tells them to go away.

How much more embarrassing can this fool get? He is one of the three people I blame for this entire mess (Farage and Cameron being the others). He's done more than anyone else to put us here. And now he whines about it all. I'd like to see more questions about exactly who has been funding him for what purpose again too.

Also awaiting that IOPC investigation outcome..

... and @HateIsNotGood, what do you want from us? An apology to the EU for this mess? OK, one apology: EU I am deeply deeply sorry for this whole disaster that I have seen coming for 30 years or more with absolutely no power to stop. I'm sure that will make everyone over there feel so much better. Please please also remember those of us who were not indecisive and did not fall for the lies, who wanted to remain in the EU but would accept soft Brexit to stop this shit. We haven't actually been given that choice: as I said we have no power in our own "democracy".

Hate Some posters are E27 citizens in the UK
or are UK expats in the EU, like me

I do apologise ruefully here in Germany, because my usual social circles (all German) are constantly talking about Brexit
I know Brexit prep here has cost hundreds of million, paid by taxes & by business
and that Brexit itself is expected to reduce German GDP by about 0.5%

^Any WA would benefit those of us who are expats, but we are also thinking of the wider UK:

The clauses on workers rights need to be moved back to the legally binding bit of the WA
So too do the environmental regs
And No Deal at the end of 2020 needs to be prevented
Such an important bill needs to be studied in detail

What's selfish about any of that ?^

Letwin gives this WA a better chance of actually happening, because - if the EU agree an extension - it prevents the ERG forcing No Deal instead by later voting against the enabling WA legislation.

On the train home today I had to stand in a doorway with a chap who spotted the stickers on my coat
he also asked about the toothbrushes but I said they were a private joke
"I voted go not stay" he said
I suggested he followed the money on every new story including ones that supported his viewpoint
his head nearly exploded
he asked why we had travelled so far to go to the march
"because it matters"
he moved away ASAP

Johnson's second letter

twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1185668581524197382/photo/1

Well done, Listening
Good job with the toothbrushes !

If historians study video of that march in days to come, think how puzzled they will be by the woman wearing 7 toothbrushes 😂

Peter Walkerr@peterwalker99*

In voting against the Letwin amendment alongside Barron, Campbell, Fitzpatrick, Hoey and Mann,

Caroline Flint has seemingly moved herself away from the ‘Labour MPs for a deal’ crowd and into the ‘pro-Brexit irreconcilables’.

I absolutely agree we should apologise to all the EU countries but that is down to our PM and given he won’t even sign a letter he was required to write by law, it doesn’t exactly look likely he will. I apologised to whilst in Germany this summer, am acute,y aware of what this is doing to people in other countries .

Prettybird, I am worried about the point of order thing but hoping it was like that to prevent him having to answer questions rather than for anymore sinister but they are such slippery fuckers it does make you wonder.

Surely there are some mature leavers who think...

"Well we've waited for 30 years to leave, then a brief extension since March. So a further brief 12 week extension is neither here nor there."

Or " Our ' prize' is in sight it really doesn't matter if it's a bit longer. "

Or " Actually - childishly not signing a letter and sending an apparently contradictory one is just showmanship and electioneering and statespeople should behave with more decorum and integrity."

To summarise what our sub-prime minister has sent the EU:

Tim Shipman@ShippersUnbound

....Boris’s three letters to circumvent the Benn act

1. a photocopy of the letter in the bill, unsigned

2. a covering note from Sir Tim Barrow which basically says “we’re sending you this because we have to”

3. a signed letter from Boris saying we don’t want an extension

Anyway his showmanship letter clearly says

" whilst it is open to the EU to accede to the request mandated by parliament or to offer an alternative period. "

I would say this should be

" whilst it is open to the EU to accede to the request mandated by parliament or to grant an alternative period. "

Its not the EU making an offer as we've already requested the extension. They are granting an extension in response to that request...

You would think so wouldn't you lonelyplanetmum? Sort of the voice of reason for leavers, people who are calm and rational about their decision and the route to leaving. I've yet to hear it.