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He's backing you all into a corner

How?

Regardless, this is yet another circular argument of no consequence.
The opposition have had several opportunities to go to the electorate & chose not to.

They have had an opportunity this week to call VONC, (to get extension & call GE) but are more interested in bickering amongst themselves, screeching about the nasty Tories/hateful BJ & playing games.

The opposition have control of the commons & they're shutting the electorate out.

SNP will break soon if the rest don't sort their shit out as they are looking to be in good shape for a GE to win back quite a few of the seats they lost in 2017

Labour voted against the WA three times almost unanimously. As they are now a remain party I can't see them voting for any form of WA?

Exactly!

It will not pass & everyone knows it.

This is why their (the opposition parties) refusal to do anything is so frustrating.

He's backing you all into a corner. And you are all lapping it up.

How?
I want to leave with a deal (or no deal if needs be) or go to GE

The only way he'll have stitched me up is if he decides to revoke A50 or go for repeat Referendum

I know why the gov didn't bring it (because the opposition would have added amendments) but the opposition could easily have done it.

You are quite ignorant of parliamentary procedure ...

Government controls house business; the opposition seizing control can only happen under certain circumstances.

The idea that the government can't bring a bill because the opposition would amend it yet the opposition could bring a bill whenever they want is obviously a contradiction in terms.

If you listen to what John Major has said, the Govt/Privy council could suspend the Benn Act to avoid sending in an extension request.

Equally any agreed date for a GE could be changed by Johnson too.

No idea why some keep banging on about "all these constituencies voted for Leave" because as the 2017 GE shows, this is not an indicator as to how they would vote in a GE.

Did you support WA? Because he is only going to bring back a rebranded version of that.

I want to leave with a deal (or no deal if needs be) or go to GE

We had a GE 2.5 years ago, if we have another one in October and that also returned a hung parliament, how many more GE's until you get the result you want?

Shall we just keep asking the electorate until either side get what they want?

The way out for both the Govt and the country is a second vote, not on the original question but on a Deal Vs Remain..... then a GE.

Both are deliverable options and the democratic choice given where we are, another GE with a hung Parliament will mean another year or two of indecision and mayhem.

You are quite ignorant of parliamentary procedure

Government controls house business; the opposition seizing control can only happen under certain circumstances.

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Under normal circumstances, this would be the case.

You are being deliberately disingenuous now

The idea that the government can't bring a bill because the opposition would amend it yet the opposition could bring a bill whenever they want is obviously a contradiction in terms.

No it's not, as I explained quite clearly.

BJ & govt do not have the numbers to control anything now.

The opposition could have amended it & he'd have been unable to block it.

Bercow has repeatedly allowed the opposition to seize control of business.

Equally any agreed date for a GE could be changed by Johnson too

Has the potential to be changed, yes.

In reality? No.

He does not have the numbers to do this.

this is not an indicator as to how they would vote in a GE

Maybe not in 2017, but for sure the next GE will all be down to Brexit. That's why opposition are against a GE. Outcome is either;

Cons majority, or

BP and Cons coalition.

MPs in constituencies that voted leave, but as individuals are remain supporters will be eliminated at the next GE. Hence opposition want to prevent a GE until the 5 year term has come around and it can no longer be avoided.

Did you support WA? Because he is only going to bring back a rebranded version of that.

You keep on asking this.

I have repeatedly said I don't like it, but would put up with it if necessary.
I cannot speak for others though.

It does not matter though - if he does bring it back it will fail again
Labour will not vote for it, neither will other opposition parties or ERG

BJ does not have the numbers to get it through

He may not have the numbers now but he might have done prior to kicking 20 experienced MPs out of his own party.

The way out for both the Govt and the country is a second vote, not on the original question but on a Deal Vs Remain..... then a GE

If there is no agreement on what a deal should be, how will that work?

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I was referring to amending a GE bill.

The way out for both the Govt and the country is a second vote, not on the original question but on a Deal Vs Remain..... then a GE.

No.

2nd ref should be deal or no deal only. No Remain option.

However, should anti-brexit proponents force a repeat ref on leave/remain, it will only be valid if equal or greater turnout than 72.21%

And on a valid turnout, should Remain win, it will only be a valid result if greater than 51.89%

Anything less than the above would mean that the Leave vote of 2016 has greater validity.

Because he is only going to bring back a rebranded version of that

Sounds like Yadid's best friend either has a crystal ball or is able to read Johnson's mind?

@DustyDiamond , there is a cross party "MPs for a deal" group. Don't assume it wouldn't get through.

He may not have the numbers now but he might have done prior to kicking 20 experienced MPs out of his own party.

He kicked them out before he brought the FTPA GE vote & before prorog

The opposition had the numbers to defeat him in any attempts to amend the date in a one-line bill

Nobody wants to keep going until 2020. All parties are expecting and planning for a GE this year. The opposition just want to ensure that it is long enough after 31st Oct that Parliament sits up to the current Brexit date.

Given all the people who piled on to criticise Yadd's nonsense, no problem for me.
You have assets across several countries and don't live in the UK or EU@MysteryTripAgain . So it's just a game for you.

Mystery - not backed up by polling.

IF cons went into an electoral pact with bxp, maybe but so far they have ruled out such a deal.

I suspect what the Cons gain in midlands/north will be balanced by losses in the south, they will also lose seats in scotland too, 59 SNP MPs !

The LDs could gain around 50 seats, far more if they had a pact with Labour.

DustyDiamond , there is a cross party "MPs for a deal" group. Don't assume it wouldn't get through.

There is, yes.

They also want to tack on a 2nd Ref & a CU

THE ERG & many Tories will not vote this through

@DustyDiamond

Correct. That is why further referendum has been ruled out. Unless all the conditions you have listed are met there is no argument to ignore the first referendum. My view is that turnout would be lower as people think;

"2016 result has been ignored, so why vote again if that can be ignored too?"

but so far they have ruled out such a deal

To stop tactical voting by people who might not like the idea of a coalition. You think Cons will not make a deal with BP if it keeps them in power? Once people have voted and the results come out there is nothing to stop parties making coalitions if there is no party with an overall majority.

How ironic would it be, if all of this ends up with the UK getting a Labour government, because the 'remainers' didn't want a drop in living standards.
Taxes galore on middle England.
Poor man of Europe once more...