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I will not give up and support No Deal to "get this over with ". I'll take any deal that protects GFA. I don't think I am alone in thinking this.

And if we end up No Dealing , fuck 'em, hope the No Deal supporters all suffer. I'm a general prepper and dh, dd and I have Irish citizenship so those twats haven't taken any rights off us.

"The opposition could have amended it & he'd have been unable to block it.

Bercow has repeatedly allowed the opposition to seize control of business."

Opposition have had control twice (? low number anyway) and in very specific circumstances.

Ask yourself: if the opposition had control, why do they not simply introduce any Brexit-blocking bill they fancy and they think would get the votes?

If the opposition was in control of parliamentary business they wouldn't need to take the opportunity of amending govt bills because they would make their own.

Another "patriot" who doesn't understand how Britain's institutions work.

Dusty - you should know that is not how an election or vote works, the country is split, so remain has to be an option, leavers need to compromise

How many GE's shall we have? if we get a Lab/LD coalition govt will you demand another GE ?

I don't think I am alone in thinking this

Not alone for sure. However, I don't think those that share your view total anywhere near 17.4 million either.

All it takes is enough MPs to feel like me.

How many GE's shall we have? if we get a Lab/LD coalition govt will you demand another GE ?

No because I'm a democrat & losers consent is a fundamental principle of our democracy

And we have a representative democracy not a direct democracy.

Dusty - you should know that is not how an election or vote works, the country is split, so remain has to be an option, leavers need to compromise

Why do leavers have to compromise and give the losers more chances? An old question, but I will repeat again;

If there is another referendum and leave wins again is there to be a another and another till remain supporters hear what they want?

if we get a Lab/LD coalition govt will you demand another GE

I would not demand another GE as that would make me a bad loser like the 16.1 million examples since 2016.

However, I can't see a Lab/LibDem coalition happening based on how UK GE works. Remember GE is based on seats, not %.

This is huge problem for both Labour and LibDems. It is estimated 60% of those who voted labour in 2017 also voted leave in 2016.

LibDems do badly our of the seat system. In 2017 LibDems received 8 times as many votes as DUP, but got 12 seats compared to DUP's 10 seats.

Dusty - you should know that is not how an election or vote works, the country is split, so remain has to be an option, leavers need to compromise

Any ref with Remain on the ballot is invalid if it does not achieve greater than the 2016 Leave result, both in turnout & majority.

A deal/no deal ref would be a fine example of leavers compromising

No because I'm a democrat & losers consent is a fundamental principle of our democracy

Excellent.

Do you vote @MysteryTripAgain , in UK elections even though you don't live here?

If No Deal is avoided by Parliamentary means and therefore Faridge loses, do you think he will "consent".

LibDems do badly our of the seat system. In 2017 LibDems received 8 times as many votes as DUP, but got 12 seats compared to DUP's 10 seats

Hardly a valid comparison as someone of your intelligence would know! esp as you are convinced bxp will do very well.
UK regions are heavily over represented aren't they?

A deal/no deal ref would be a fine example of leavers compromising

I love a well developed sense of humour!

If you are confident that the UK still wishes to leave the EU, then remain should be on the ballot, otherwise, remain supporters have nothing to vote for, the vote would be rather pointless.

A compromise would be remainers agreeing to no-deal on the ballot and a STV vote.

We had a Labour Government from 1997 until 2010. Were we the poor man of Europe then? No we were not. The difference between then and the late 60s/early 70s? Oh yes, we were actually in Europe. Gosh.

Boris is backed into a corner. He doesn’t have a majority and legal process is preventing him doing anything stupid! It’s brilliant!

Do you vote @MysteryTripAgain , in UK elections even though you don't live here

Voted in 1983, 1987 for Thatcher. Also voted in 1992 for Cons.

Voted labour in 1997 as it was the easiest result to forecast and although poor odds it was the easiest money I ever bought.

Long gap after that. By chance I was in the UK sufficiently long in the tax years 2016 and 2017 to make me a resident under the Statutory Residence Test developed in 2013. So got the chance to vote in the 2016 referendum.

Still surprised that leave won though as UK is traditionally conservative in terms of change.

If you are confident that the UK still wishes to leave the EU, then remain should be on the ballot, otherwise, remain supporters have nothing to vote for, the vote would be rather pointless.

If Remain is on the ballot & exceeds the parameters set by the 2016 leave win, then it will be valid.

Otherwise, it will not have 'beaten' Leave at all

Thanks Mystery

If you are going to vote for a country to take a life changing route, do you not think you should stick around will it's been implemented?

I voted in all those elections too@MysteryTripAgain bar 1983 . You are no longer in this country so anything you do and say is just game playing.

@borntobequiet, but Corbyn wants to go back to the 70s style Labour.
Blair was Tory'eske', that's why it worked!

Tbh I would not be surprised if a GE produces a hung parliament again.

However, the new parliament would be represented by MPs on a clear & honest mandate re their Brexit stance.

The current Parliament is not what was voted for in 2017 as many have switched party/become independent & have consistently gone against their 2017 promises on Brexit

There will never be a Lab/Lib coalition unless Labour remove Corbyn first

My hope is that Labour lose many seats so as to get Corbyn out (be it to Lib Dem, BP, Tory or otherwise)

And Corbyn is a twat. I've seen his type all my life. But if voting for CorbynLabour becomes the only way to stop No Deal even I would do it.

If you are going to vote for a country to take a life changing route, do you not think you should stick around will it's been implemented?

As the right honourable Jacob Rees- Mogg has said, it could be 50 years before UK feels the full benefits of Brexit.

Although my great grandmother lived till 98 (quite a feat at the time), I don't think I will be around in 50 years time. However, that misses the point. Brexit is an investment for future generations.

The EU will fail as its World share of trade diminishes under the pressure applied by China and India and all other non EU countries as they rapidly catch up. Stronger western European Countries propping up weaker Eastern European Countries was always going to backfire.

I’m no fan of Corbyn but much of Labour’s most recent manifesto wasn’t much different from standard centre left policies in most of Europe. It’s the right wing media that portrays Labour as Marxist.
Labour is a broad church, as the Conservative party used to be. If anything it’s the pull to the right from the Tories that’s forcing Labour to the left.
Oh for the days when people complained that you couldn’t distinguish between them.

You don't get to dick about with my country for your fantasy.