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Westminstenders: Supreme Democracy

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2019 19:45

Tuesday is the big day about prorogation.

The Supreme Court hears the case of Cherry and Miller against the government.

This could test the constitution and the union. The Supreme Court sits as both as a Scottish Court and and English Court and applies Scottish / English law accordingly. And there are differences. It is possible that prorogation might only be illegal under one or the other but would have effect on parliament. Or its possible that the Supreme Court might decide to uphold the government position.

What is encouraging is the constitutional expert blogs which suggest that they lean to the court intervening. It's important that for the A50 case the Supreme Court referenced the arguments in these blogs.

But let's not get too carried away.

As it is Joe Moor, former director of legislative affairs at 10 Downing Street wrote in today's Telegraph that Johnson could merely prorogue again from Oct 14 "until at least Nov 6" thus preventing parliamentary scrutiny of no deal which would help enable in effect illegally. The Times also reported Cummings as having said this to advisors.

This has been dismissed by legal experts, but the point remains there is a willingness to both frustrate parliament and be as obstructive as possible in the days leading up to 31st.

There is also the 'Nobile Officium' Court action designed to stop illegal no deal by allowing the courts to write a letter to the EU to request an extension of Johnson refuses to.

It remains to be seen if it has even a chance of success.

The British press has been full of comments of optimism for a deal this weekend. This is after there was positive noises in a similar vein from Brussels. These has since been largely dismissed as mere political will with no practical progress. The British optimism has also been dismissed as mere posturing. And Priti Patel "misspoke" when she appeared to suggest that no deal was no policy this morning.

Other rumours include the French willing to grant a 2year extension but not a 3month one out of fear this will happen repeatedly. The French are now pushing for a deal and relaxing their approach as such (but Germany won't compromise the single market and Ireland the GFA so its all talk).

And do not forget, for all the talk of a deal there are certain time restrains.

Apparently Nikki da Costa has a timetable to get a deal through parliament in 'just ten days' on a spreadsheet. So that gives you an idea that the 19th October is possibly the last day to get a deal in front of parliament if you completely accept that we are leaving without any extension. This neglects the issue that a new deal isn't on the table from the EU and the backstop isn't going anywhere.

A last minute deal or no deal situation is highly risky with the ERG on one side and hard core Remainers who think Johnson won't defy the Benn Amendment and thus will try and block a deal to the last

It seems that we will have a game of cat and mouse until the bitter end.

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squid4 · 15/09/2019 20:34

Agree with view on Cameron. Go away, no one cares.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/09/2019 20:36

Thanks, red 💐
Yet another nerve-wracking week

re double prorogue & other dirty tricks:
As posted before, I fear that the Rebel Alliance may come to bitterly regret not replacing BJ in VoNC when they had the chance
They may not have another

It is so risky to leave a totally unscrupulous opponent in office with all the levers of power that a PM has

re the last-minute deal:
Unless Varadkar suddenly caves in, it can't be more than May's WA tarted up
iirc, her WA already allows the option to switch back to the NI-only backstop, but BJ could explicitly switch

"hard core Remainers who think Johnson won't defy the Benn Amendment and thus will try and block a deal to the last"
After No Deal, that would leave BJ in the clear for many voters: "wasn't my fault; the Remainers did it"

That could last long enough for him to win a GE

FMFL · 15/09/2019 20:36

PMK. And yes, do fuck off David, there’s a dear.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/09/2019 20:37

Westministenders' Abbreviations:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eureferendumm2016/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

fedup21 · 15/09/2019 20:38

That could last long enough for him to win a GE

It bothers me so much that despite everything BJ is doing, the Tories will in all likelihood, still end up winning a GE!

BigChocFrenzy · 15/09/2019 20:39

ODFOC (Oh do fuck off, Cameron)

Hoooo · 15/09/2019 20:39

Fuck off Cameron, you spam faced pig fucker 🤬🤬🤬

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 15/09/2019 20:40

Thanks red

BackInTime · 15/09/2019 20:41

ODFOC (Oh do fuck off,* Cameron)*

Absolutely. Cameron crawling out of his posh shed expecting sympathy has just been the icing on the cake this week.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/09/2019 20:41

John Crace described BJ as :

"A man who would happily reduce the UK to 4 failed states, just to stay in power for a week longer."

Lonelycrab · 15/09/2019 20:42

Amazing op as ever,Red

Thank you and all the regulars so much.

Peregrina · 15/09/2019 20:48

Two local Tory MPs - the ones for Henley and Banbury, have joined Tory group which will be working to try to get a Deal

I am not sure what to think, mainly that they haven't got the guts to resign from the party and become Independent.

mathanxiety · 15/09/2019 20:51

PMK and second the middle finger to David Cameron.

mathanxiety · 15/09/2019 20:52

Looks like I need to take a number and wait to be called for the middle finger Grin

Hasenstein · 15/09/2019 20:52

PMK.

And agree that the spam-faced pig molester should butt out - the harm he's already done is irreparable and no amount of whining will change anyone's view of him.

BoreOfWhabylon · 15/09/2019 20:56

PMK

Ellie56 · 15/09/2019 20:56

I hope the odious BJ does not win a GE. That would be a nightmare to end all nightmares.

I'm hoping for a hung parliament, then the excesses of both the far right and the far left can be reined in a bit.

fedup21 · 15/09/2019 20:59

PMK and second the middle finger to David Cameron.

Absolutely! I can hear Danny Dyer’s voice now asking where DC isGrin!

colouringinpro · 15/09/2019 20:59

pmk. fuck off Cameron. please please please supreme court.

IDontBelieveYou · 15/09/2019 20:59

I’d forgotten about all the court cases. I was hoping for a quiet week Confused

0lga · 15/09/2019 21:02

PMK
Thanks as always Red.

DGRossetti · 15/09/2019 21:13

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boatyardblues · 15/09/2019 21:15

Looks like I need to take a number and wait to be called for the middle finger

Can we throw wet sponges too, preferably piss-soaked?

yolofish · 15/09/2019 21:17

Cameron is such a whinger... and dear God the man cannot write either! well, according to what I could stomach reading in today's Sunday Times, it reads as if a child had written it. I cannot help but feel for him and Samantha regarding Ivan, of course, but even that section is so poorly written. I did enjoy Samantha having a stiff gin at 8.10am before going out to face the press on the resignation day though!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 15/09/2019 21:19

can I post yet?

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