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Westminstenders: Supreme Democracy

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2019 19:45

Tuesday is the big day about prorogation.

The Supreme Court hears the case of Cherry and Miller against the government.

This could test the constitution and the union. The Supreme Court sits as both as a Scottish Court and and English Court and applies Scottish / English law accordingly. And there are differences. It is possible that prorogation might only be illegal under one or the other but would have effect on parliament. Or its possible that the Supreme Court might decide to uphold the government position.

What is encouraging is the constitutional expert blogs which suggest that they lean to the court intervening. It's important that for the A50 case the Supreme Court referenced the arguments in these blogs.

But let's not get too carried away.

As it is Joe Moor, former director of legislative affairs at 10 Downing Street wrote in today's Telegraph that Johnson could merely prorogue again from Oct 14 "until at least Nov 6" thus preventing parliamentary scrutiny of no deal which would help enable in effect illegally. The Times also reported Cummings as having said this to advisors.

This has been dismissed by legal experts, but the point remains there is a willingness to both frustrate parliament and be as obstructive as possible in the days leading up to 31st.

There is also the 'Nobile Officium' Court action designed to stop illegal no deal by allowing the courts to write a letter to the EU to request an extension of Johnson refuses to.

It remains to be seen if it has even a chance of success.

The British press has been full of comments of optimism for a deal this weekend. This is after there was positive noises in a similar vein from Brussels. These has since been largely dismissed as mere political will with no practical progress. The British optimism has also been dismissed as mere posturing. And Priti Patel "misspoke" when she appeared to suggest that no deal was no policy this morning.

Other rumours include the French willing to grant a 2year extension but not a 3month one out of fear this will happen repeatedly. The French are now pushing for a deal and relaxing their approach as such (but Germany won't compromise the single market and Ireland the GFA so its all talk).

And do not forget, for all the talk of a deal there are certain time restrains.

Apparently Nikki da Costa has a timetable to get a deal through parliament in 'just ten days' on a spreadsheet. So that gives you an idea that the 19th October is possibly the last day to get a deal in front of parliament if you completely accept that we are leaving without any extension. This neglects the issue that a new deal isn't on the table from the EU and the backstop isn't going anywhere.

A last minute deal or no deal situation is highly risky with the ERG on one side and hard core Remainers who think Johnson won't defy the Benn Amendment and thus will try and block a deal to the last

It seems that we will have a game of cat and mouse until the bitter end.

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Belindabelle · 18/09/2019 13:31

I just caught the last 20 mins or so of this mornings court proceedings. I am totally hooked. There goes this afternoons plans.
I feel rather guilty about how much I am enjoying all of this but I think its a distraction because if i sat down and thought about it all too much I could just weep.

NotaRealLawyer · 18/09/2019 13:33

BJ to Dad " there is no press here" Biscuit

prettybird · 18/09/2019 13:34

Distraught and angry dad: "What do you mean there's no press here?" Hmm

BJ-Cummings doesn't even know when he is lying Shock

Alsohuman · 18/09/2019 13:35

BJ to Dad " there is no press here" - as Dad waves at the cameras. And still they believe him.

DGRossetti · 18/09/2019 13:35

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Westminstenders: Supreme Democracy
NotaRealLawyer · 18/09/2019 13:37

My kitchen is a remainer.
It has remained unpainted for the last two days.
It has prorogued it's own redecoration. Blush
I need a motivational coach.

ListeningQuietly · 18/09/2019 13:38

LOVING the expressions on the Nurses' faces when they realise its being filmed Smile

squid4 · 18/09/2019 13:38

How dare Johnson go in an NHS hospital.

I think corbyn's position is exactly right and for the vast majority of people, brexit is NOT the most important thing in their lives. Before 2016 I don't think many people even thought about the EU at all. A party that can include different views on brexit is exactly what we need. (Avoiding no deal brexit is obviously different as it's so catastrophic).
But I don't know how well it will translate when everything has become so polarised and furious.

Mistigri · 18/09/2019 13:45

OMG that hospital clip! That's extraordinary.

NoWordForFluffy · 18/09/2019 13:47

The tweet has been deleted!

Hasenstein · 18/09/2019 13:48

Re. the EU parliament vote as mentioned above, here's a LD member speaking for us and for standing up to a would-be "dictator":

twitter.com/Doozy_45/status/1174235688511971329

Peregrina · 18/09/2019 13:48

Was just coming to say that the tweet had gone!

QueenOfThorns · 18/09/2019 13:50

Who has censored the tweet????

thecatfromjapan · 18/09/2019 13:50

The NHS clip:

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/17/climate-justice-lexiteer-labour-conference-europe-environment?twitterr_impression=true

A truly, truly, 'WTF?' Moment.

'There's no press here.'

DGRossetti · 18/09/2019 13:51

The tweet has been deleted!

But BBC is carrying the story - with it's own take, naturally ...

thecatfromjapan · 18/09/2019 13:51

Sorry.

Here:

twitter.com/jimmfelton/status/1174292985925816320?s=21

lonelyplanetmum · 18/09/2019 13:52

Re European Parliament vote on a hypothetical extension ( if requested) .

This will be interpreted by the Faragists as the EU wanting to keep us. Ha ha. Who'd want us. The reality is that the vote acknowledges that we are in such a mess we need time. I suppose there's also a there but for the grace of god element...

thecatfromjapan · 18/09/2019 13:52

Johnson is the weak link in any cunning Cumming's plans.

tobee · 18/09/2019 13:52

Huh? I'm so confused now.

That tweet was from Sky wasn't it?

When Johnson said "no press here" did he mean press as opposed to media? But surely written press were also there???

magicroundabouts · 18/09/2019 13:53

Link to NHS clip here:

twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1174291989203959808

thecatfromjapan · 18/09/2019 13:54

I'm actually beginning to wonder if he'll break under this.

May kept going out of a dogged sense of duty. Johnson only has his ego - & a furious group of very nasty people who have invested money and their political hopes in him behind him - to keep him going.

Dontlickthetrolley · 18/09/2019 13:55

If you Google, the Sun have the clip. It's a bit difficult to hear what he is saying initially, then everyone goes quiet.

thecatfromjapan · 18/09/2019 13:55

Yes, tobee, the press were there.

NoWordForFluffy · 18/09/2019 13:56

No press here?! Idiot man.

tobee · 18/09/2019 14:02

I hate him. And I hardly ever say that. Him going to an NHS hospital today, the thread yesterday about the state of A&E, his lies about the money he's going to put into the NHS. Continually lying. And at the moment I don't feel the opposition parties are in any position to stop the Tories. I think the Labour Party and Libdem's are still confusing to most voters.

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