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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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Hazardtired · 09/09/2019 21:27

In terms of honesty it's a challenge because of NDAs.

Everyone who thinks they might be impacted contact your MP. It's a topic that needs a specific kick.

Also the list isnt just about no deal but also the wider implications of a falling pound, stockpiling increasing prices, etc.

OrangeSamphire · 09/09/2019 21:28

Thanks @ChazsBrilliantAttitude.

I wondered, because I’ve heard the PM (and others) say ‘on or by 31st’ and Sky News have started saying ‘by 31st’. I could be reading too much into it but it caught my attention.

Desperately going to attempt to put in another repeat prescription request for my son’s epilim (sodium valproate) this week. Hoping the pharmacy won’t notice it’s only been two weeks between orders. I mean, he is at serious risk of death without it. Can’t believe we are having to think about this.

GeistohneGrenzen · 09/09/2019 21:28

PMK

OrangeSamphire · 09/09/2019 21:29

I’ve written to my MP about the meds issue but sadly it’s Sheryll Murray who is one of the Tory MPs who has said she hopes Boris will ignore the law...

Hoooo · 09/09/2019 21:30

...amd injectable morphine.

I'll just repeat that.

Morphine.

Jesus christ.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 09/09/2019 21:31

If a deal is agreed we can exit before the 31st Oct but not without one. Given the Benn Act we are not supposed to exit without a deal at all.

Hoooo · 09/09/2019 21:32

Not having hrt will make my life very unpleasant BUT it won't kill me.

But ffs, there are anti psychotics on that list! Anti epilepsy meds, heart meds...

Backtothedrawingboard1 · 09/09/2019 21:32

Everyone who has specific reasons to be worried about medicines: I'm so sorry.

I wish I could believe that medicines shortages would be a wake-up call for people. Yet austerity is reported to have caused significant numbers of excess deaths, and still plenty of people remain besotted with the hard right, hardcore austerity loving right-wing of the Tory party.

Hasenstein · 09/09/2019 21:32

Hmmm. Tried to click on that link for the medicines list, but it apparently can't be found.

Luckily, I accessed it earlier and saved it.

Shit, I've been taking Bisoprolol and Ramipril for the past 8 years, since I had a heart attack. I presume they're quite important, otherwise the doc wouldn't have prescribed them. I'm off to the pharmacist tomorrow to see if they have them.

The list is so long that there must be hundreds of thousands of people affected. I'm sure they'll all be heartily grateful to the Brexiteers for any shortfall in supplies. Indeed, I'm sure there'll be plenty of Brexiteers affected by this too, but of course they'll just be able to BELIEVE a bit more strongly and they'll be fine.

Hazardtired · 09/09/2019 21:35

Also contact charities specific to your condition - sorry forgot to say that!

Check prices of buying meds privately both here and internationally. Huge generics market in India....which is no good for brand specific people. Prices do very, websites are uuuummm interesting!

Needles and equipment also available...

It's been an eye opening week since dp's shortage!

Hoooo · 09/09/2019 21:35

Yes they are important hasenstein my mum is on both too.

Ds1 needs prednisone. We have to keep it in the house for exacerbations.

I'll see if dh can get it in singapore.

I wish all brexiteers to hell.

Bastards.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 21:35

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/boris-johnsons-choice-left-behind-16891216.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true
Why Boris Johnson’s choice of ‘left-behind towns’ may have also laid bare his election masterplan
Our analysis shows most of his new 'towns fund' will so far directly help marginal seats he needs to win, including many of the most knife-edge - while 94 of the 100 chosen towns, mostly in the north and midlands, voted Leave. Does that point to a winning electoral strategy?

On Friday the government unveiled the first 100 communities to receive cash from its £3.6bn ‘towns fund’, a pot of cash ostensibly aimed at helping areas that have long struggled with post-industrial decline, austerity and long-term underinvestment.

Cheadle’s inclusion immediately provoked suspicions of ‘pork barrelling’ by ministers , however - in other words, money being targeted at local areas solely because the Tories either need to keep or win them in the forthcoming election.

The M.E.N. has now done further analysis of the 100 towns on the list, looking at how each of those areas voted in the referendum, as well as the electoral status of the constituencies they serve.

Our workings show 94 out of the 100 towns are in Leave-voting areas, mostly in the north or midlands.

The remaining six Remain-leaning towns - Cheadle, Glastonbury, Southport, St Ives, Morley and Lewes - are all in marginal Conservative constituencies set to be Liberal Democrat targets, or in the case of Morley and Outwood, a Labour target, having been very narrowly lost by them in 2015.

In fact nearly a quarter of the 100 towns serve some of the most knife-edge seats in the country - those requiring a 1pc swing or even less to move them from Labour to Tory, or vice versa.

Those include the towns of Peterborough, Crewe, Bishop Auckland, Bedford, Ipswich, Dudley, Barrow in Furness, Keighley, Ashfield, Thornaby-on-Tees, Kirkby-in-Ashfield, Kidsgrove and Newcastle-under-Lyme, all of them in exactly such highly precarious Labour seats, as well as Thurrock, Telford, Grays, Broxtowe, Todmorden, Brighouse, Norwich and Bolton, all in, or serving, equally perilous Tory seats that the government will need to defend from Jeremy Corbyn.

And

There are also at least five towns in seats where UKIP ran the Tories very close in 2015, including two in Boston and Skegness and two in Thurrock, as well as Thanet, where Nigel Farage nearly took next-door South Thanet four years ago.

And

The significant number of towns in Leave-leaning Labour seats not necessarily considered marginal - such as Hartlepool, Rotherham, Barnsley and Redcar, all in Labour seats with majorities of above 10,000 - may therefore be notable.

Jason Stein, formerly special adviser to recently-departed cabinet minister Amber Rudd, made a pertinent argument this morning, suggesting it was a ‘simple fact’ that the Conservatives need to mitigate a range of expected losses by breaking through in other areas.

Even Number 10 was not expecting this election 'to be the land of milk and honey', he said, adding: “We need to win 35 seats in areas we have never won before, just to break even."

Which probably does mean that Hartlepools and Rotherhams need to be on their hitlist.

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Outsomnia · 09/09/2019 21:37

Time to fight back has really come now. There is absolutely no need for people's lives to be placed in jeopardy because of the hubris of the few who don't care about anything but their mission goal.

I do realise that many affected are ill, and may not be in a position to march, scream, get angry etc. but family, friends and community are.

Aux barricades mes amis!

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 21:40

arrow-in-Furness Barrow-in-Furness
Bedford Bedford
Birkenhead Wirral
Bishop Auckland County Durham
Blackpool Blackpool
Bloxwich Walsall
Blyth (Northumberland) Northumberland
Bolton Bolton
Boston Boston
Bournemouth Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole
Bridgwater Sedgemoor
Brighouse Calderdale
Burton upon Trent East Staffordshire
Camborne Cornwall
Carlisle Carlisle
Castleford Wakefield
Cheadle (Greater Manchester) Stockport
Clay Cross North East Derbyshire
Cleator Moor Copeland
Colchester Colchester
Corby Corby
Crawley Crawley
Crewe Cheshire East
Darlington Darlington
Darwen Blackburn with Darwen
Dewsbury Kirklees
Doncaster Doncaster
Dudley Dudley
Glastonbury Mendip
Goldthorpe Barnsley
Goole East Riding of Yorkshire
Grays Thurrock
Great Yarmouth Great Yarmouth
Grimsby North East Lincolnshire
Harlow Harlow
Hartlepool Hartlepool
Hastings Hastings
Hereford Herefordshire
Ipswich Ipswich
Keighley and Shipley Bradford
Kidsgrove Newcastle-under-Lyme
King's Lynn King's Lynn and West Norfolk
Kirkby-in-Ashfield Ashfield
Leyland South Ribble
Lincoln Lincoln
Long Eaton Erewash
Loughborough Charnwood
Lowestoft East Suffolk
Mablethorpe East Lindsey
Mansfield Mansfield
Margate Thanet
Middlesbrough Middlesbrough
Millom Copeland
Milton Keynes Milton Keynes
Morley Leeds
Nelson (Lancashire) Pendle
Newark-on-Trent Newark and Sherwood
Newcastle-under-Lyme Newcastle-under-Lyme
Newhaven (East Sussex) Lewes
Northampton Northampton
Norwich Norwich
Nuneaton Nuneaton and Bedworth
Oldham Oldham
Penzance Cornwall
Peterborough Peterborough
Preston Preston
Redcar Redcar and Cleveland
Redditch Redditch
Rochdale Rochdale
Rotherham Rotherham
Rowley Regis Sandwell
Runcorn Halton
Scarborough Scarborough
Scunthorpe North Lincolnshire
Skegness East Lindsey
Smethwick Sandwell
Southport Sefton
St Helens (Merseyside) St. Helens
St Ives (Cornwall) Cornwall
Stainforth (South Yorkshire) Doncaster
Stapleford (Nottinghamshire) Broxtowe
Staveley (Derbyshire) Chesterfield
Stevenage Stevenage
Stocksbridge Sheffield
Sutton in Ashfield Ashfield
Swindon Swindon
Telford Telford and Wrekin
Thornaby-on-Tees Stockton-on-Tees
Tilbury Thurrock
Todmorden Calderdale
Torquay Torbay
Truro Cornwall
Wakefield Wakefield
Walsall Walsall
Warrington Warrington
West Bromwich Sandwell
Whitby Scarborough
Wolverhampton Wolverhampton
Worcester Worcester
Workington Allerdale

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Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 21:40

amd injectable morphine

Because it's not enough for people to die, they must die in great pain.

NotaRealLawyer · 09/09/2019 21:42

@RedToothBrush . You are incredible, you really are. So many others here, thank you for your contributions.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 21:44

inews.co.uk/news/brexit/france-to-insist-on-a-two-year-extension-to-allow-brexit-re-evaluation/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
France to insist on a ‘two-year’ extension to allow Brexit re-evaluation
MP from President Macron's party says UK cannot have another three month delay

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Hasenstein · 09/09/2019 21:44

Hoooo

"Yes they are important hasenstein my mum is on both too."

Bugger. At least I have a pharmacist friend in Germany who could probably get them for me if I can't get them here.

I wonder if the Yellowhammer documents which now have to be released will have a comprehensive list of "at risk" medicines. Surely that would at least force Brexiteers who take them to rethink their stance? I hope the implications of the Yellowhammer papers will be widely and deeply reported in the coming days.

Basilpots · 09/09/2019 21:45

twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/1171157768918773760?s=21

Wonder how that’ll play with the BXP vote.

Downing Street sources saying Boris Johnson now hopes to find a way of bringing 21 defectors (or some of them) back into the Tory party.

Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 21:48

Red, thanks for that list, and the thread. Is the vote for a GE going ahead and anyone know when the vote will be?

Beginning to think some people are just evil, in the same way I think Nazis were evil. I am exhausted.

QueenOfThorns · 09/09/2019 21:49

Cheadle is a ‘left behind town’? I’ve heard it all now Confused

Can’t give the money to Stockport as a whole, can we, it’s not marginal enough Angry

Peregrina · 09/09/2019 21:49

Where are Clavinova's cut and paste lists of medicines which you need not worry about?

I wonder if the Tories kicked out will meekly decide to go back? I would hope not. It's hardly worth it for potentially a few weeks to a GE.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 21:49

Parly @parlyapp
.@LindsayHoyle_MP reveals there is going to be a maiden speech tonight

Good grief!

Jared O'Mara isn't about to turn up is he?

That'd cap today off.

(this BTW is a joke.)

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Camomila · 09/09/2019 21:50

There's some really basic stuff on that 'maybe' list...what is the country coming to that I'm grateful my family are just going to be uncomfortable rather than anything worse.

Ordinary 'leavers' are probably furious too, this is not the extra NHS money they were promised.

In our case we regularly use
cyclizine - my morning sickness tablets
omoprazole - DM has repeat prescription
hydrocortisone - DH has bad excema
Luckily none of my dad's medication appears to be on the list.

bellinisurge · 09/09/2019 21:50

My town isn't on there. It's about as left behind as you can get. It's a safe Labour seat.