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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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FMFL · 09/09/2019 21:13

PMK with thanks.

Sostenueto · 09/09/2019 21:13

Well I suppose this thread will be slower in filling up as we won't know anything for 5 weeks! Unbelievable! The biggest crisis since WW2 and Parliament not sitting.Angry
Bet the shredders are hot tonight.
Is there anyone left in the Tory party with any integrity at all?
Have they found Boris yet? There are plenty of ditches near me....perhaps I should go and look?

TokyoSushi · 09/09/2019 21:14

PMK, watching the proceedings from my sick bed 🛌

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 21:14

Tristan Kirk @kirkkorner
Tory MP Charlie Elphicke pleads not guilty to sexually assaulting two women, in attacks which are said to have happened a decade apart. He will stand trial at Southwark crown court, and is due to appear there for the first time next month.

It seems next court appearance is a pretrial hearing but can't find a date.

He's going to be a busy bunny in October then.

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borntobequiet · 09/09/2019 21:16

On a frivolous note, Julian Smith looks (to me) like Julian from the Famous Five books, grown up and gone into politics.
Bisoprolol? One of my medications. Damn.

DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 21:16

Waste of time shredding anything that's gone through Facebook or Google or Microsofts servers. Plus SMS messages will be held by the networks. Remember all those snooping laws that sneaked through, incrementally ...

Basilpots · 09/09/2019 21:17

Well I suppose this thread will be slower in filling up as we won't know anything for 5 weeks!

It’ll be the CONFERENCE SEASON SPECIAL.

Sostenueto · 09/09/2019 21:17

Oh yea! Forgot about that DGRBlush

AutumnCrow · 09/09/2019 21:18

Watching.

PerkingFaintly · 09/09/2019 21:18

PMK. Thanks for thread.

DGRossetti · 09/09/2019 21:18

Of course, they might have used Telegram ...

www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/09/telegram_messaging_bug/

Telegram has fixed a bug that broke one of its chat app's key privacy features: the ability to fully delete your sensitive messages on recipients' phones.

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PestyMachtubernahme · 09/09/2019 21:18

September The time for scrutiny is never over. Not in 10 years or 100 years or 1000 years, did you never do history?

The air in Westminster is alive with the sound of shredding.

chomalungma · 09/09/2019 21:19

Looks like the Conservative party conference is in Manchester...

I wonder if there will be any protests Grin

Motheroffourdragons · 09/09/2019 21:19

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Hazardtired · 09/09/2019 21:20

hoooo I'm sorry its shit.

mrslaughan · 09/09/2019 21:21

@Hoooo
Prednisalone - and they are predicting a really bad flu season , a shortage of flu vaccine....... a now a shortage of key medication to manage out of control asthma......

Where is this list?

AutumnCrow · 09/09/2019 21:22

I have to take amlodopine. I've a clinic appointment tomorrow. Will ask about expected shortages.

I just want honesty now.

Sostenueto · 09/09/2019 21:22

What is the meds list please?

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 21:22

Tony Connelly @tconnellyrte
Phil Hogan, Ireland's European Commission nominee, will be confirmed tomorrow as the EU's chief trade negotiator, @rtenews understands

Hogan, who has been a trenchant critic of Brexiteers, will be appointed the new EU trade commissioner by the incoming Commission President Ursula Von Der Leyen

An EU source described the appointment as "one of the most important economic portfolios in the next Commission, coming at a very important time for the EU and Ireland

Sources say Phil Hogan played a key role in concluding the EU-Japan and EU-Mercosur trade deals

However, he was criticised by Irish farming organisations for the Mercosur trade pact following concerns that South American beef imports to the EU could undermine Ireland's beef producers

The appointment of Phil Hogan as the new EU trade commissioner arguably sends a powerful signal that the Irish border issue will remain at the heart of any future EU-UK free trade agreement

He will be assisted by the secretary general of DG Trade by Sabine Weyand, one of the leading negotiators in Michel Barnier's Brexit Task Force

Thats hilarious!

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DeRigueurMortis · 09/09/2019 21:23

Out you've articulated my thoughts exactly.

If only the UK had a polished, well turned out, eloquent and professional PM/Taoiseach like Leo Varadkar. Honestly the contrast between both of them today drove home how horribly disrespectful and uninterested Johnson was at the presser.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 09/09/2019 21:24

Orange

Exit Day is defined in regulations as 31st October at 11pm. So I can’t see how BJ could take us out before
www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2019/859/regulation/2/made

Hazardtired · 09/09/2019 21:24

It's not official

Https:e-surgery.com/brexit-crisis-medication-shortage-list/

Private money making company I must point out who might profiteer off panic but as the gov is a wanker not giving out accurate info what can we do.

Outsomnia · 09/09/2019 21:25

Just reading that Irish EU Commissioner Phil Hogan, (assisted by the indefatigable Sabine Weyand) will be appointed Chief Trade Negotiator by Commission Prez Ursula von der Leyen tomorrow.

Interesting that an Irish Commissioner will be in charge of future Trade negotiations......

Outsomnia · 09/09/2019 21:26

Apologies, crossed with Red on the breaking news re Phil Hogan and Sabine Weyand. This thread is moving so fast!

Basilpots · 09/09/2019 21:26

@OrangeSamphire

If the PM was anybody but BJ I would say no deal would not even be a consideration now the Benn Bill has received royal assent.

But we have just watched a debate about the willingness of a Government to follow the law.

I really really hope they would not go through with no deal. It’s certainly a lot less likely than it was last week thankfully.

Flowers to all of you with worries about medication.