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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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frumpety · 09/09/2019 21:53

I hope the implications of the Yellowhammer papers will be widely and deeply reported in the coming days.

Days and weeks. Its important that everything isn't released too soon, it needs to build to a crescendo, too much too soon = project fear. Little and often.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 21:56

Aubrey Allegretti @breeallegretti
I’m told government’s non-compliance with the Grieve motion would not automatically put it in contempt of parliament.

When the Commons is un-prorogued on October 14 Bercow could give precedence to a motion from any aggrieved MP seeking to find ministers in contempt.

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TemporaryPermanent · 09/09/2019 21:57

I was super shy at that age

chomalungma · 09/09/2019 21:57

Left behind but Labour....I think that is forgotten in Johnson's Britain.

£3.6 billion between 100 towns is not a lot really. How will he tackle the housing crisis in those towns? Will there be more GPs available in those towns? Long term fixes are needed.

I really hope that there are personalised ads aimed at reminding people of the history of this Government when it comes to public services....and reminders of the magic money tree that was such a problem a few years ago.

pigeononthegate · 09/09/2019 21:58

Can someone who saved the medications list post it on here? That link doesn't seem to work any more.

bellinisurge · 09/09/2019 21:59

@chomalungma , look at Graham Hughes' podcast on YouTube. He's involved in a big event called Cirque de Resistance to coincide with the party conference in Manchester. They are going for the world record number of clowns in one place. It's apparently all about celebrating the EU not negativity.

bellinisurge · 09/09/2019 22:00

@pigeononthegate
e-surgery.com/brexit-crisis-medication-shortage-list/

OrangeSamphire · 09/09/2019 22:00

e-surgery.com/brexit-crisis-medication-shortage-list/ this should work @pigeononthegate

NotaRealLawyer · 09/09/2019 22:01

I'm on three meds. Life limiting condition also.
All on the list. Not good. Confused

Hasenstein · 09/09/2019 22:01

This worked for me earlier when I bookmarked it:

e-surgery.com/brexit-crisis-medication-shortage-list/

Camomila · 09/09/2019 22:01

The link didn't work for me either, but if you google 'brexit medication shortage list' its the first result.

I'd link but I don't know how on my phone. Blush

SistemaAddict · 09/09/2019 22:02

Cheadle is pretty nice. John Lewis, Sainsbury's, independent shops, interesting restaurants, good college, right next to the M60, fairly decent buses, nice parks, purpose built Victorian lunatic asylum complete with theatre (not sure if still open as was sold off), cricket pitch, ballroom, beautiful grounds. It's owned by the Priory group now but it has such presence and history. Waitrose next door in Cheadle Hulme. I used to live there. It's certainly not left behind!

Songsofexperience · 09/09/2019 22:03

I hope the implications of the Yellowhammer papers will be widely and deeply reported in the coming days.

Yep. And I hope the whole civil service will be a giant sieve.

Stick two fingers up to Rasputin.

pigeononthegate · 09/09/2019 22:04

Got it, thanks. I'm on four of the medications on that list Sad

TheCaddyisaBaddie · 09/09/2019 22:05

Pmk

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 22:05

Warrington is an interesting town.

The marginal is not the poor part. The marginal is the affluent south of the town.

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Basilpots · 09/09/2019 22:05

Town near me on that list is a Tory marginal.

I mean it’s never going rival the Champs Elysees and I don’t begrudge them the money, but there are much much worse places.

They’ve had nine years to sort this. Blatant electioneering.

bellinisurge · 09/09/2019 22:06

I think there is a Cheadle in Staffordshire. Maybe it's that one.

On the papers to be made available. It's made available to MPs isn't it, rather than published. They aren't able to publish things made available to them under parliamentary privilege or whatever it's called.

Random18 · 09/09/2019 22:06

My 'town' is on there and I am surprised it is Shock

It did vote to Leave but not by a massive majority.

Hasenstein · 09/09/2019 22:06

Reports that Olly Robbins is joining Goldman Sachs.

Yet more expertise lost to the public sector replaced by Johnson stooge David Frost

Oranginna · 09/09/2019 22:07

Isn't it amazing how the opposition parties can all work together to defeat Brexit but were unable to do anything to prevent austerity.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 22:07

I think there is a Cheadle in Staffordshire. Maybe it's that one.

It's not.

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SistemaAddict · 09/09/2019 22:08

That drugs list is pretty much a list of the most common drugs for the over 60s. I'd say 90% of my patients were on at least one of the drugs listed a d most on 5 or6.

Hasenstein · 09/09/2019 22:09

Bellini

"On the papers to be made available. It's made available to MPs isn't it, rather than published. They aren't able to publish things made available to them under parliamentary privilege or whatever it's called."

Well, the Sunday Times managed to get details weeks ago. Still, I'm sure this time it will be leak-proof Hmm

OublietteBravo · 09/09/2019 22:12

My town (Bedford) is on the list.

It isn’t actually possible to tell if the parliamentary constituency voted leave (because the referendum ‘constituency’ included a chunk of the surrounding rural true-blue-Torry areas, which were likely more leave-leaning than Bedford itself).