Does anyone here actively WANT no deal?

[justintimberlakesfishwife]

And if so why, and how do you expect it to play out if that's the outcome?

Yes. But only because I live in France, and it will make me absolutely piss myself to explain to my (Brexit-voting) Dad, and most of the rest of his family, that we won't be coming back to the UK for Xmas (I only have UK passport, kids only have French passports) because I don't fancy long queues as passport control or risking not being allowed back into France.

Just to see how much he would then bang on about a "Brexit dividend".

For the rest of your question, I expect it to be an utter disaster for the UK, that Brexit voters will conveniently find a scapegoat - Remainers, the EU, immigrants again... - to blame, rather than face up to the fact that they don't have the first idea of the economic, social and political forces at play.

Yes.

No idea.

Anything has got to be better than this shit show.

Yep. Time to cut the cord, brutally and quickly.

Yes there will be a transition period, yes there will be border issues, food shortages.

But we managed up until 1973 without being members and I'm pretty sure we will manage again.

The whole thing is an embarrassment and a disgrace.

@Span1elsRock another question, what would you prefer, May's WA, with NI backstop, or no deal?

No to No Deal

I suspect that is what we will get.

Love how Span glibly says “food shortages” with zero understanding of what they might mean to the very vulnerable in our society.

I do agree the whole thing is an embarrassment and a disgrace but it’s a disgrace of our own making....well for those who voted for this shit show.

Time to cut the cord, brutally and quickly.

But no deal doesn’t achieve that, because we still need a trade deal with the EU. And as soon as we ask about a trade deal, they’ll bring up the backstop and we’re back to square one.

My colleague wants no deal. He thinks it will all be sorted fairly quickly and things will just go on as before.

No, because it's stupid AF. Even stupider than stupid and economic suicide.

Exactly @noblegiraffe. No deal doesn't achieve anything unless we plan to stay on WTO terms forever, which is ridiculous.

span, no deal and transition period are incompatible. You get no deal...IF you’re lucky you get a period when the British government applies 0% tariffs on import from some goods (and kills off the lamb industry of the U.K.), maybe the EU will extend a bit the agreement already negotiated for flights but that’s about it.
Don’t expect a transition.

There's no such thing as no deal.
You have to have some sort of agreement with your neighbours and trading partners and therefore we will come to an agreement - either before or after we exit - even if it's in the form of a load of mini deals or a moratorium.
The only really serious stumbling block is the Irish border. May's DUP arrangement has made it impossible so far to reach a sensible solution but once we have a GE hopefully it will all start to be sorted one way or another. Brexit with a border in the sea or Revoke.

no deal and transition period are incompatible

at least with the current government. A more moderate government might be able to establish a better working relationship with the EU and get an EEA style deal. I do think the EU officials like Barnier are intelligent enough to realise that the lot "in charge" couldn't organise the proverbial in a brewery and would talk to a new government.

The WA was the transition agreement.

A no deal exit is not the end of anything, it is the beginning of something a lot messier than the last three years.

Good to see people looking forward to food and medicine shortages and telling themselves that they will manage.

We managed until 1973 without being members
Seriously? Do you know how much life changes over nearly 50 years?

It has to be a straight no deal.

Given that we roughly have a 50/50 trade and import balance, you can't tell me that a trading agreement won't be rustled up pretty promptly from both sides.

I'm so sick of all the doom and gloom surrounding it all. It's not an apolycapse and society won't collapse. We import food, supplies and medication from around the world, not just the EU and we grow things in this country. I really honestly haven't met anyone in RL who is as panic stricken about it all as people on MN.

Leaving the EU with No Deal is like deciding you’re fed up with the house you live in and you deserve to live in a palace. You know deep down that there aren’t actually any palaces available, and if there were you wouldn’t be able to afford them.

However you’ve boasted about your imaginary palace to all and sundry, pissed off your neighbours and committed to moving out on a fixed date “do or die”.

You don’t fancy moving into rented accommodation as that would just be “money down the drain”, be less nice than the house you used to live in, and still no palace.

So instead you’re moving straight out into a tent under a bridge. That’ll learn them.

And will put you into an excellent position to acquire your future palace.

My PILs do. Because they genuinely don't understand how trade agreements work (despite me and DH trying to explain).

It’s not an apocalypse and society won’t collapse.

Your opinions have absolutely nothing of value in them, you have no idea about what’s going to happen.

1973 was 56 years ago. The world is a different place now.

Cough, 46.

Given that we roughly have a 50/50 trade and import balance, you can't tell me that a trading agreement won't be rustled up pretty promptly from both sides

But each EU country will still have 26 other countries to trade with, losing only one partner, whereas we lose 27 trading partners. The situation isn't remotely comparable.

And how will the Irish border issue be resolved in this ever-so-fast deal we're going to get?

You’re right @Herocomplex. Oh, the shame.

The only really serious stumbling block is the Irish border

It's not an Irish border. It's the UK border on the island of Ireland.

Bionicname - I know I am being pedantic but it's "that will teach them".

You learn from others but you also teach to others.