Does anyone here actively WANT no deal?

[justintimberlakesfishwife]

And if so why, and how do you expect it to play out if that's the outcome?

As a former NHS employee I am deeply worried, it was already bad enough before this mess started.

Nobody is worried in the NHS? Ha! Read the views of the NHS leaders, they may know a bit more of the subject than the chitchat that goes on in the office.

I dont quite understand how you take the fact that I am fed up of hearing about Brexit Brexit Brexit every time I switch on the news to meaning I'm happy to see NI being bombed..... not even in the same league!

And I dont see how we will have a weaker negotiating power - it can't be any weaker then now where the Government is so desperate for a deal it will agree to anything. Nope we either remain indefinitely and scrap the whole notion or leave with no deal on 31st October and not keep dragging this shit show out.

@TanMateix ha I have, they have told you all we are ready. Now what are you going to whinge about? 😴

I am a bit torn. I would like to see it, but then I think about the Irish dimension and that rather diminishes my enthusiasm. Since well they don’t deserve that and seeing how they’ve been treated in the past. And present really; with that excellent Secretary of state that was unaware that they vote along sectarian lines in NI…

For one then I hope I can stop having to read totally ill-informed opinions from buffoons oblivious about anything EU-related. Anything goes; an idiot that has never opened a book about EU law suddenly gets to write opinion pieces. Or make belief EU historians and conspiracy theorists; what’s worse is probably people believing what they are saying when you can easily check their claims.

Another part is intellectual curiosity; back in 2017 I did some minor consulting; nothing major was part of a bigger project. Mainly about sectors of the British economy that become vulnerable after a no-deal exit; and where other EU countries gain an edge and can take over the market share currently occupied by British companies. Add to this that I am/was already fed up with the behaviour of the UK while it was part of the EU. To this day I don’t understand why the leave vote came as a surprise for some. The British elite has been checking out since somewhere around 2000 when they discontinued their excellent training plan for officials etc… . It would make sense to have them outside of the EU, and their influence diminished over European politics.

Just let it end.

24% of world economy is USA
~20% is rest-EU
16% is China
so yeah... there are 100+ countries to trade with in the remaining 40%. Vast majority of them have piss all money to buy our goods or services.
UK economy is not going to thrive by cutting deals with the 100 poorest countries in world.

The 40% do include India (3.36%, wants more visas before they'll open up their markets), Japan (5.9% perpetual deflation), Brazil (2.2%, probably want more visas), Canada & Aus (both about 2%; Canada is waiting to see what weaknesses they can exploit before they'll cut a deal), Russia (1.9%, they're so nice... not)...

There's more support for no deal now than there was before the referendum. Mainly associated with the mistaken belief that it would bring an end to the whole Brexit process...

It may be a well known expression in certain parts of the country, but like I said not where I come from. If you're using the expression "that'll larn them" as maybe a local expression then fair enough, but if you say that'll learn them it just looks as though you don't know the difference between learn and teach.

Chupchup - Why are you telling me you have a degree in English. This is the Internet, I have no idea if you are telling the truth or not.

We leave without a deal on 31 October,

Then what? We never hear of brexit again? How do we start doing trade deals? What happens at the border in ni? What rights do non Europe citizens have who are working here? Is our travel and health insurance valid ehen we go on holiday? Will mobile phone roaming charges come back? Which queue do I go to? When farmers can't sell their produce, and decide it's not viable to continue ? How will Fresh food coming in through Dover and the ports get to the rest of the country, what checks and delays will there be!?

A no deal does not suddenly make everything go away.

I'm (sorry) cutting to the end.

All the No Dealers I know of speak of Great British Spirit, We were Great before, we will be Great Again, like in (name year).

However. H2S. Garden Bridge. Third Runway. For starters.

We are now shit at this stuff. Isambard would be rotating in his grave (and vote No Deal... tbh).

Reality check needed.

In answer to the original question I do not actively want No Deal. It will be a disaster.

@Mamamia456, why do you persist in arguing with people over trivia? Numerous people have told you the saying is in common usage and why. To use the leavers’ favourite quote “Get over it”.

Sunflowers you work in the NHS and are 'not worried'?

What are you in? Top tier management?

I work on coalface NHS and our workforce has been decimated by what's happening.

However, the ever resourceful NHS has (half) backfilled the EU leavers - with non EU!

Wanna be scanned by a lovely human being who cannot identify eye-sockets on a head CT scan? Yes, the staff are by and large, lovely, but eye-wateringly, 'internationally' poorly trained.

You're none the wiser. All you got was a shit, maybe undiagnostic CT scan. Complete with your useless radiation dose.

But hey, sunflowers doesn't see a problem....

Are you seriously implying that people Trained outside the EU are poorly trained?

Seriously?

Yes

A lot of them are, yes. Are you really surprised @MissGiddyPants?

Erm. Yes.

Yes. We won’t reach a deal. We might as well stop faffing about and just leave.

Japan (5.9% perpetual deflation)

And Japan already told the UK to fuck off because a trade deal with them wasn’t a priority. And why would it be?

"We might as well stop faffing about and just leave."

Fuck me - have you ANY idea just how much faffing will be involved in a no deal situation. YEARS of faffing, over who we trade with, what we trade, what barriers/tariffs ther will be, how do we accommodate for services rather than goods, politicians arguing about who can get the 'best deals', blamnig each other.

Depite the bollocks expressed around here, thre is no such thing as a 'clean break', or plasters being ripped off. That is nonsense.

Sunflowers is lying.

MissGiddyPants I believe that the Health and Care Professions Council, who register us- were told, by the government to turn a blind eye to these applicants, not to scrutinise their qualifications as The public would, at best, panic; at worse demand answers as to why HCPs were disappearing in droves, causing delays in diagnoses and treatment.

I can't think what else might have happened since I now work with staff who readily admit their 'CT post grad diploma' took $250 and a weekend to achieve. In Lagos. Even they are amazed at how their 'qualifications' were taken at face value. And bitch about how poor the standard of work from other non-EU nationals is!...

Also, we put out a Band 5/6 job application, we get zero Brit, Antipodean or EU applicants; we Skype 6 non-EU people (at least 3 of whom never appear); but regardless of how appallingly they interview, how openly they admit they do not have the specific skills the advert demanded, our upper management, Band 9s, demand we employ them as we are so short staffed.

Truth.

Think about that next time you wonder why they want to take that picture again. And again.

And our Trust has managed to get rid of a few due to the sheer number of radiation incidents being reported to the CQC ringing alarm bells.

So yes, I stand by my statement. I am 'seriously implying that ( some ) people Trained outside the EU are poorly trained'.

Well that’s bloody petrifying Miljah!

And I dont see how we will have a weaker negotiating power - it can't be any weaker then now where the Government is so desperate for a deal it will agree to anything.

The government is no such thing hence they haven't managed to negotiate further on May's WA and they haven't actually signed anything. Yet. We'll see how it is at 22:59 UK time on 31st October.

One of the Most Excellent things about the EU - and other countries bitched and moaned about it because they had to lower their degree qualifications - is that there is an agreement in place (name escapes me) which matches up qualifications, trade and academic etc, so that if you have a bachelor's degree from one country, the level of achievement is the same as someone with a bachelor's degree from another. And so on. Which is why it suddenly became (back when it happened) much much easier for organisations like the NHS to employ HCPs trained in other EU countries. It also made it very much easier to check on them.

This system doesn't exist for qualifications from other countries, hence the story about the Band 6 radiographers PP mentioned.

OK and finally. @Mamamia456 are you a native English speaker? "That'll learn 'em" is completely brilliantly ironic.
And now I want to listen to Pink Floyd's The Wall (or are you going to write to tell Dave Gilmore and the boys that it should be "we do not need any education"?)

Brefugee - It is obviously a local expression, but not in my part of the country, all the people I know say that'll teach them.

And yes, the last part of your sentence is grammatically correct 😀

It isn’t a local expression. I suspect the origin here is incorrect as my gran used it before gamers were invented.

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