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Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security

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RedToothBrush · 12/04/2019 22:34

The new exit date, unless we agree a deal sooner, is the 31st October.

It seems ages away, but its runs the risk of a false sense of security too.

The first deadline is May 22nd. The Conservative Party would dearly like to avoid European Elections. They are already liable to face wipe out in the early May local elections, as the party was at its peak in 2015 under Cameron when there were last elections.

The EU elections have the added danger of proportional representation meaning UKIP and The Brexit Party could win seats from them. This is despite polling suggesting that Ukip and the Brexit Party are unlikely to reach the high watermark of 2015 and this could lead to fewer UKIP style MEPs this time round.

The liklihood of a deal by 22nd May is low though. Especially given how well Tory - Labour talks are going. The potential for a deal seems remote in the next few weeks.

The next deadline falls on 30th June. If we do have EU elections, the next target for the Tory Party is the end of June to get a deal before the newly elected MEPs can take their seats. However if the goal is unachievable before EU elections, it seems unlikely that agreement will be found in the next 30 days unless there is a major change of heart amongst the hardcore ERG and the DUP. Labour will want to see the Tories humiliated too much.

May who says she will go, will face another wave of pressure to resign during May and June. Messages out of No10, though not May herself, had indicated an exit around 22nd May on the condition a deal was done. Crafty as ever, what May actually said was she would stay on until we reached the second stage of Brexit and had effectively left. This now falls as late as Oct 31st, thus killing plans for a summer Tory leader election.

Once we get past June though, time for a deal, any deal starts to become very limited. Parliament only sits until mid July. Here May hits another problem. The two year parliamentary session ends. There has been talk of it being extended but the DUP have firmly said no to this.

This means when parliament is due to return in September we have an issue. To start a new session May will need a majority to pass a Queens Speech. If the DUP and Hardline ERGers withdraw support in protest at May still being PM what happens? Can May win support from elsewhere. It seems unlikely.

At this point the question of a General Election looms large. And we only have six weeks from then before we exit the EU. If a GE is triggered then, the risk of no deal is extremely high, which might encourage some to support May from across the aisle to prevent parliament from being shut and losing those crucial six weeks.

The danger over the next few weeks, is there is a false sense of there being lots of time left. The reality is our real deadline might be in effect the end of the parliamentary session in mid July. After that all bets are off.

The date of 31st October isn't the one you should keep your eyes on.

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Windowsareforcheaters · 12/04/2019 22:36

EU elections vote remain.

TalkinPaece · 12/04/2019 22:36

Roll on the local council election results

golondrina · 12/04/2019 22:38

Pmk

DGRossetti · 12/04/2019 22:43

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PestyMachtubernahme · 12/04/2019 22:44

MPs take long holiday
MPs fanny around
MPs take long holiday
MPs attend conferences
MPs fanny around
MPs are surprised we reach 31st Oct facing NO-DEAL

Any other plans?

PestyMachtubernahme · 12/04/2019 22:44

Ta Red

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2019 22:49

MPs who are on the ball should argue that parliament does not rise in mid July and instead continues to sit over the summer.

But they won't. Cos they like their holidays too much.

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Iambuffy · 12/04/2019 22:50

Pmk

magimedi · 12/04/2019 22:50

PMK

KennDodd · 12/04/2019 22:55

I wonder if the ERG will support May's deal if results from local elections and EP elections suggest big swing to Remain. For what it's worth I don't think there will be a big Remain swing sadly.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 12/04/2019 22:56

Thanks red
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lonelyplanetmum · 12/04/2019 22:57

Thank you Red.

Did we hear any more about Arlene and IDSs meetings today?

prettybird · 12/04/2019 22:57

Regal feline positioning: good for observing birds flying by Smile

Spring party conference season should be interesting Wink

Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security
Whisky2014 · 12/04/2019 22:58

If a GE is triggered then, the risk of no deal is extremely sorry i don't agree. I think if up until that point we had shown some kind if progress and demonstrate to the eu we are about to have a general election the will agree to more time. Theyre going to do as much as possible to avoid no deal too.

lonelyplanetmum · 12/04/2019 23:02

Found a report of the Arlene meeting with Barnier.I may have missed it on the thread if it was posted- anyway they were pushing revisiting the back stop. Sigh.

www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0411/1042149-foster-barnier-meeting/

MissLucyHoneychurch · 12/04/2019 23:05

I'm on a Brexit recess so not pmk

Peregrina · 12/04/2019 23:11

I would tend to agree - a GE might lead to an offer of another extension. This time we would need Labour to get off the fence and at least come down in favour of an EEA type agreement.

PestyMachtubernahme · 12/04/2019 23:13

I saw that too Lonely , Arlene tells Barnier that they will be renegotiating the backstop. Now he knows first hand, what TM is up against.

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2019 23:13

Whisky the problem with that is the French. They wanted a much shorter extension than we got.

The reason they ultimately agreed to 31st October was because after then we were supposed to get a new commission in Nov 2019 - which would give us extra influence in the EU.

Alex Barker @ alexebarker
My hunch: a 6 month extension that ends before the change of Commission in November. Macron halves the one-year delay. Britain leaves before its new Commissioner takes office. Voila.

Macron was very keen to limit the influence of the UK in the European Parliament.

There is also the question of whether the PM can ask for another extension without Parliament's consent via a vote to approve it. If Parliament has dissolved for a GE, it can't.

Thus we are at the mercy of the French who are deeply hostile to any further delay for a variety of reasons, with popular opinion there favouring no deal. And we might not physically be able to prevent no deal.

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woman19 · 12/04/2019 23:14

@IanDunt
We're not leaving today. Nor tomorrow neither. Fuck those guys

‏***@IanDunt*
I'm a bit shitted and missed 11pm.

@IanDunt
Happy Not Brexit Day!

Thank you red

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2019 23:16

PMK.

Thanks, Red.

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2019 23:18

Of course if the UK, we're to return a significant number of proEU MEPs that might endere us more to the French than we currently do.

The worry is that the 31st Oct deadline also failing straight after the Party Conferences is going to heavily ramp up the rhetoric of everyone making compromise harder too. The Tory Party conference is 29th Sept to 2nd October. There's already been calls to humiliate May if she's still PM by that point too. All the leadership hopefuls will be looking to make an impact too.

The mood isn't going to be generous towards moving towards a deal by that point. If we don't get a deal by then, I fear for the worst.

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BlackeyedGruesome · 12/04/2019 23:23

Looks like the stash stays.

Magissa · 12/04/2019 23:24

PMK
Thank you Red

RedToothBrush · 12/04/2019 23:25

news.sky.com/story/brexit-backlash-party-activists-fear-hostility-could-turn-sinister-11691211
'Incompetent, self-interested s': Fear and loathing on the doorstep over Brexit
Activists have told Sky News that the reaction on the doorstep over Brexit can be "vitriolic".

The Tories, most of all, are in abject despair with many believing they are heading for the drubbing of their lives.

One, a local chairman from Essex, told me that his prime minister's actions represent "an absolute betrayal of the British people".

He told me: "Next month's elections are going to be absolutely pivotal - we are going to get absolutely hammered.

"We are struggling to get anyone to deliver leaflets, even members of our executive don't want to go out."

This theme of Conservatives being unable to turn out their own members was commonplace across the country.

One exasperated Tory councillor told me: "Every association I've spoken to are struggling to get their members out.

"Members are saying, why should I get s* on the doorstep and doors slammed in my face when I'm as angry as they are?"

And

One Labour councillor told me he wouldn't risk standing in the European elections and that he thought the party's candidates might need security.

A Tory spoke of the "abuse, threats of violence and hate" his party candidates are receiving on a daily basis.

A friend of mine has put their name forward for MEP. I'm concerned. They didn't campaign for the original ref, nor have they stood as an MEP. I'm hoping they don't get the nomination although they are a decent candidate. They simply have no comprehension of the level of abuse they will be exposed to.

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