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Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security

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RedToothBrush · 12/04/2019 22:34

The new exit date, unless we agree a deal sooner, is the 31st October.

It seems ages away, but its runs the risk of a false sense of security too.

The first deadline is May 22nd. The Conservative Party would dearly like to avoid European Elections. They are already liable to face wipe out in the early May local elections, as the party was at its peak in 2015 under Cameron when there were last elections.

The EU elections have the added danger of proportional representation meaning UKIP and The Brexit Party could win seats from them. This is despite polling suggesting that Ukip and the Brexit Party are unlikely to reach the high watermark of 2015 and this could lead to fewer UKIP style MEPs this time round.

The liklihood of a deal by 22nd May is low though. Especially given how well Tory - Labour talks are going. The potential for a deal seems remote in the next few weeks.

The next deadline falls on 30th June. If we do have EU elections, the next target for the Tory Party is the end of June to get a deal before the newly elected MEPs can take their seats. However if the goal is unachievable before EU elections, it seems unlikely that agreement will be found in the next 30 days unless there is a major change of heart amongst the hardcore ERG and the DUP. Labour will want to see the Tories humiliated too much.

May who says she will go, will face another wave of pressure to resign during May and June. Messages out of No10, though not May herself, had indicated an exit around 22nd May on the condition a deal was done. Crafty as ever, what May actually said was she would stay on until we reached the second stage of Brexit and had effectively left. This now falls as late as Oct 31st, thus killing plans for a summer Tory leader election.

Once we get past June though, time for a deal, any deal starts to become very limited. Parliament only sits until mid July. Here May hits another problem. The two year parliamentary session ends. There has been talk of it being extended but the DUP have firmly said no to this.

This means when parliament is due to return in September we have an issue. To start a new session May will need a majority to pass a Queens Speech. If the DUP and Hardline ERGers withdraw support in protest at May still being PM what happens? Can May win support from elsewhere. It seems unlikely.

At this point the question of a General Election looms large. And we only have six weeks from then before we exit the EU. If a GE is triggered then, the risk of no deal is extremely high, which might encourage some to support May from across the aisle to prevent parliament from being shut and losing those crucial six weeks.

The danger over the next few weeks, is there is a false sense of there being lots of time left. The reality is our real deadline might be in effect the end of the parliamentary session in mid July. After that all bets are off.

The date of 31st October isn't the one you should keep your eyes on.

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bellinisurge · 13/04/2019 11:49

Which includes Labour btw

woodpigeons · 13/04/2019 12:14

I know it isn’t relevant to what you are saying lonely but official statistics show that in March 2018 just over 53,000 children had been placed in foster care in England.
However figures from 2015 show over 150,00 children living in Kinship care in England. This figure is likely to have risen.
Kinship carers are usually totally ignored by social services as they see this as a ‘private arrangement’. They get no support, financial or otherwise, despite the fact that if family members hadn’t stepped in these children would be in the care system.
76% are living in poverty, the carers having had to give up their jobs or having lost their homes.
A large number of these children have disabilities due to inutero exposure to alcohol or drugs. There is no support for this.
Rant over but when I see figures for children in foster care that do not acknowledge the invisible majority it makes me quite angry as I am a kinship carer myself.
When people post on mumsnet asking if they should take in a relative’s, quite often damaged, child they are told of all the help and support they are entitled to. I am the one dissenting voice.
This isn’t just my opinion. I know a lot of kinship carers both personally and online. I belong to a group campaigning for them to be recognised.

Mistigri · 13/04/2019 12:20

Due to a house move I have missed the chance to register for a vote in the EP elections in France.

Generally, EU citizens living outside their home state have the option of voting in either their state of residence or their home state. Does anyone know if this is true for British citizens? The usually helpful EU parliament elections site is unhelpful in this case, because the U.K. is no longer shown as as a member state.

(I cannot vote in GEs due to the 15 year rule so not currently on the electoral register.)

havingtochangeusernameagain · 13/04/2019 12:20

I was reading some tweets today about "the Germans" (some people at one conference in Berlin, but it could be a wider-spread feeling) getting really worried about us staying in the EU for longer because of UKIP et al)

So great, just as the tide is turning and the momentum towards remain is slowly building, they decide they don't want us anyway.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 13/04/2019 12:22

Oh and now I am getting really fed up with the BBC too. Leading with Farage and his Brexit party and having the leader of UKIP on QT. FGS where is the balance.

I was a bit meh over the idea that they were pushing a pro Brexit agenda but now I am really not so sure. Why do they give Farage so much oxygen?

TalkinPaece · 13/04/2019 12:25

Why do they give Farage so much oxygen?
Because he is apparently VERY charismatic in a small group and schmoozes journos and editors over nice meals and gets them invites to nice parties.

Corbyn on the other hand gives them leftover rainbow chard from his allotment and does not drink

Littlespaces · 13/04/2019 12:35

For the European elections -

medium.com/@Metatone/a-strawman-on-ep-election-tactical-voting-for-remainers-9b17edcdbcfd

also read the @AngryNortherner twitter thread

TatianaLarina · 13/04/2019 12:37

Because he is apparently VERY charismatic in a small group and schmoozes journos and editors over nice meals and gets them invites to nice parties.

I don’t think that’s true - my sister has seen in at a couple of parties as he lives nearby - she said he’s even worse in real life. Why would journalists want to hang out with him?

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 13/04/2019 12:39

I can't understand how Farage can ever be considered 'charismatic' - to me he is tedious, self-important pub bore through and through - but then again it appears there's a whole lot I don't understand about my fellow Brits Hmm

I'm always flabbergasted listening to LBC when people phone into his show and gush about how excited they are to finally speak to him. And so, whilst I'd love to consider him and his revolting little Brexit Party a busted flush, I'm not confident that they won't see some serious wins on May 23rd...if we get that far.

Mistigri · 13/04/2019 12:41

Bumping this question in case anyone can help

EU citizens living outside their home state have the option of voting in either their state of residence or their home state. Does anyone know if this is true for British citizens?

TatianaLarina · 13/04/2019 12:42

It’s nonsense.

I think it’s just bad judgment on the BBC’s part - to be seen to representing both sides fairly, they give him more airtime than they should.

TatianaLarina · 13/04/2019 12:42

That was to MaudBailey ^^

woman19 · 13/04/2019 12:45

Very useful article little space thank you.

Remain Alliance pact needed now to knock out the far right.
'Labour' needs to morally and ethically wake the f* up.

Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security
TalkinPaece · 13/04/2019 12:46

mistigri
DD will vote in the Euros in the country where she currently has residence
as will all her other British Erasmus friends Smile

TalkinPaece · 13/04/2019 12:48

woman19
Shocking that the Libdems are polling so badly.
Vince really should have handed over to Jo ages ago.

woman19 · 13/04/2019 12:53

to be seen to representing both sides fairly
Imagine if this was 40 years ago, and a Sinn Fein politician had said what NF said.

It would be voiced by and actor, if shown at all.

I wonder if old archbishop Justin (tax free income of over £5b for C of E, 'Vote Brexit') Welby would have been excusing incitement to harm our MPS if it had come from Irish rather than english nationalists.
(as he did on channel 4 news last night)

BBC and Church of England guilty of moral incontinence of highest order.

Mistigri · 13/04/2019 12:54

DD will vote in the Euros in the country where she currently has residence
as will all her other British Erasmus friends

DD is registered where she is a student.

It's me I'm enquiring for - I want to know if I can vote in the U.K. since I can no longer register in France.

Does the 15 year rule apply to EP elections or does EU law override this?

TatianaLarina · 13/04/2019 13:02

Imagine if this was 40 years ago, and a Sinn Fein politician had said what NF said

This is true, and afair - analysis of media coverage after the election indicated that Brexiteers had been given more air time and column inches.

The famous journalistic quote that has been doing the rounds is on point:

“If someone says it’s raining & another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. Your job is to look out of the f**king window and find out which is true”

RHTawneyonabus · 13/04/2019 13:05

Misti that’s a very complex question and I’m not sure I know the answer for certain but you can register as a overseas elector for up to 15 years after you have left the country for Parliamentary elections and I assume for EU elections also? You cannot vote in local elections. After 15 years I don’t think there is any mechanism to register you as an elector in your former constituency so I would assume you can’t vote in any election there.

Does that make sense?

lucyinthefry · 13/04/2019 13:12

“If someone says it’s raining & another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. Your job is to look out of the f**king window and find out which is true”
What if it's dry in London but raining in Cardiff?

havingtochangeusernameagain · 13/04/2019 13:19

What if it's dry in London but raining in Cardiff

depends if you're BBC London or BBC Wales ;)

Or Red Dragon Radio.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/04/2019 13:27

We've booked holiday flights for the summer in a fit of optimism.

Iambuffy · 13/04/2019 13:30

We are uk bound in July
dc and dh are going to Germany in August
Then Ireland in october....
What could possibly go wrong!??

LonelyTiredandLow · 13/04/2019 13:30

LD really aren't polling strongly and I have to say I am not surprised. I don't find Vince charismatic and they need a new face or TIG and them need to come to an agreement if they want to be in with a chance.

I think it should be completely clear to Labour now who their core supporters are. Any hardcore leavers already would be gone in that last poll.

LonelyTiredandLow · 13/04/2019 13:31

Maybe when Archbishops are on BBC we should be writing in furiously to ask for equal representation of ALL religions, including of course Pastafarians.