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Today's vote - when will we know the result?

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WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 14:28

Just watching parliament and it's like some sort of circus. They're making a show of themselves.

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WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 16:55

UK parliament rejected the option to revoke!!

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LeekMunchingSheepShagger · 29/03/2019 16:55

We won't crash out. Well either revoke or get an extension. My moneys on the extension and we'll find ourselves back in exactly the same position in 2 years time.

NoWordForFluffy · 29/03/2019 16:55

Exactly. As long as revoke is done before 11pm on 12 April, we'll just carry on as we were before.

LaurieMarlow · 29/03/2019 16:56

And they also rejected no deal.

They’ve kinda rejected everything at this point to be fair. They’ll obviously have to revisit options,

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WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 16:58

Fluffy - that requires a majority voting to revoke. In parliament. They've already voted on this just this week and rejected it!!!!! They are not going to suddenly change their minds!

I think 90% of you have your fingers in your ears going Lalalalalallaalala!!!!!

How can you not know what is going on???

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LoudBatPerson · 29/03/2019 16:59

UK parliament rejected the option to revoke!!

However the voting is not yet finished, and we are not right at the cliff edge yet. No deal has been thoroughly rejected too, and there is no sign of parliament letting it happen.

I do think there is a high chance of the house changing their mind regarding no deal on the last day.

Although I think the sensible way forward now, is for the house to pull together mon Monday and Wednesday next week and get strong backing for one option (or a combo), to try and convince the EU it is worth granting the extension.

brizzlemint · 29/03/2019 17:00

I don't see how this can end without them calling a general election because the government fought the last GE on a promise to deliver Brexit and I can't see it happening now.
A GE would be interesting as it'd be coming from a place of the politicians of all parties having proved themselves pretty much incompetent.

LaurieMarlow · 29/03/2019 17:02

i think 90% of you have your fingers in your ears

Classic leaver panic. Grin

The March and petition have shifted the debate. But actually, even without that, they’d never actually let no deal happen.

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WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:02

That the UK parliament has rejected no deal, is irrelevant to the EU as A50 has been activated. Think of it like a bomb ticking. It has been activated and will go off now on 12th April. Which means that unless they negotiate with the EU for an extension, as they can't agree to anything else among themselves, they will exit without a deal on April 12. It is highly unlikely the EU will not agree to an extension. So a no-deal exit is 100% still on the cards.

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WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:04

It is highly unlikely the EU will not agree to an extension. should be

It is highly unlikely the EU will agree to an extension.

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feesh · 29/03/2019 17:04

Whiskers, I know exactly what is going on, having spent the last 6 months analysing it.

They’ve voted no to EVERYTHING. That’s irrelevant now as they have to find a way forward through this crisis now which means revisiting things they’ve said no to.

You have to think of this in terms of what is going on behind the scenes both here and in Brussels.

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WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:05

They should have worked this out before triggering A50.

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LaurieMarlow · 29/03/2019 17:05

That the UK parliament has rejected no deal, is irrelevant to the EU as A50 has been activated

All they’ll have to do to stop that is send a letter to revoke. which will look very attractive when their backs are against the wall.

LaurieMarlow · 29/03/2019 17:05

They should have worked this out before triggering A50.

Yeah no shit Sherlock

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WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:06

They've revisited the WA three times!! That result hasn't changed. It's still NO!

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Quartz2208 · 29/03/2019 17:06

Yes we have reached the farcical point where they have voted no to every single viable option so where exactly do we go from here.

I disagree Whiskers I think the UK coming back is exactly what the EU needs - if the main proponent of leaving has to come back because they cannot agree on how to leave it pretty much shuts down anyone leaving. Why wouldnt they want that.

What they dont want a delay because we cant decide because that is destablising for everyone.

At the moment the only real option is to call a General Election and have it delayed from there. But honestly I would be amazed if either party honestly wants to go for that we either leader in place and really it does need someone to say sod it and create a new centralist party - there is already polling which shows it would get enough to create a coalition

The problem there of course is that by its very nature it is likely to be made up of both sides so where would it go.

The whole thing is an absolute mess that it is hard to see a way out of that isnt frankly disastrous

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WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:07

All they’ll have to do to stop that is send a letter to revoke. They need to get a majority to support it first!

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LaurieMarlow · 29/03/2019 17:09

They need to get a majority to support it first!

Given the majority is supporting nothing, they’ll probably have to take some decisions without that.

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WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:09

You're assuming there is an infinite amount of time for the UK to get their shit together. There is 2 weeks. 14 days! Or they will leave, with nothing in place whether they like it or not!

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indistinct · 29/03/2019 17:09

Retaining the option to revoke is UK's last element of control. Part of the issue with the WA is that it commit's UK to Brexit but loses this final element of control and doesn't provide any guarantee of the future relationship. After WA, UK can ask for anything/everything but EU can dictate what UK gets unless it can resolve the NI/Ireland border issue to EU's satisfaction (or NI leaves UK, or UK breaks WA international agreement). UK could be in backstop forever potentially.
Agree parliament doesn't want to revoke now but may reconsider it again as other avenues are closed off.

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WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:10

Given the majority is supporting nothing, they’ll probably have to take some decisions without that.

Do you know how Parliament works? Hmm

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LoudBatPerson · 29/03/2019 17:11

I think Monday and Wednesday may show a joining of forces in parliament, as the EU is making it quite clear that an extension has to have a good reason, and the EU are sharpening minds by reminding the UK that No Deal is on the table, and they are more ready than the UK.

The EU will want to see a plan, which works in their interest too, and I think their talk over the last week, could well help members join together behind one option (in my opinion a hybrid of the most popular from Wednesdays votes) which could convince the EU.

However the EU, I imagine, will only grant the extension, if the plan put forward is one likely to lead to a revoke/closer tie. They will not want our MEPs round the table if we are likely to leave soon into the session.

The MPs will know this, and I think enough will draw around a hybrid between the most popular initiative votes, to give us a shot at the extension.

LaurieMarlow · 29/03/2019 17:11

Far better than you Wink

feesh · 29/03/2019 17:12

Whiskers do you know how government works?!

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WhiskersOnCats · 29/03/2019 17:13

Far better than you wink

Well given that almost 600 MPs don't seem to have a fuck what is going on, I'd beg to differ!

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