Today's vote - when will we know the result?

[WhiskersOnCats]

Just watching parliament and it's like some sort of circus. They're making a show of themselves.

I agree, Laurie.

I'm not sure why the OP is getting so het up given that most options - including revoke - are still on the table.

TM can unilaterally revoke, she doesn't need a vote on it.

Do any of you know that what UK parliament decides is irrelevant really, as they have triggered A50 which cannot be stopped and will end in 14 days i.e. Brexit.
Revoke has been spectacularly voted down.

I think some of you don't seem to realise that the UK hasn't a monopoly on the EU decisions! The EU wants us out, end of story.

WhiskersOnCats - I take it you voted to leave in 2016? Do you support the Withdrawal Agreement or would you prefer no-deal or some other option? If you can't have no-deal (because parliament will do everything it can to stop it and it has the numbers) what would be your preferred way forward?

TM can unilaterally revoke, she doesn't need a vote on it.

There are emergency powers in place to avoid national disasters such as, but not limited to, crashing out with no plans in place.

I think some of you don't seem to realise that the UK hasn't a monopoly on the EU decisions! The EU wants us out, end of story.

No, they want us out if we don't come up with a plan. They are done with uncertainty, not the UK as a whole.

They have, quite rightly, said that you cannot just extend if you will keep int his state of paralysis.

However, if our parliament gets an agreement that the EU feels is reliable, they will be able to work with us.

The UK does not have a monopoly on EU decisions, however, we have a lot of people who understand what it will take to influence them in the way we need, and if all else fails, a unilateral revoke.

do any of you know that what UK parliament decides is irrelevant really, as they have triggered A50 which cannot be stopped and will end in 14 days i.e. Brexit.

Just keeping saying it does not make crashing out more likely to happen.

Gosh. So you're suggesting a revocation of A50 unilaterally by TM?

Lord a'mighty. Do any of you have a clue what you're talking about?

The EU27 do NOT want us out. Pure and total nonsense. They'd much prefer us to revoke and move on.

I'm not sure you understand how the process works, given your posts.

Lord a'mighty. Do any of you have a clue what you're talking about?

Yep. You don't appear to though.

Have you listened to any of the statements coming from the EU?

It’s an interesting one for the EU.

What do they do? Grant us an extension right away? Or let us sweat for a while in the hopes of a panic revoke at the last minute.

Whiskers, yes I have a significant clue as to what I’m talking about.

So, there will be more indicative votes next week. If they vote in favour of one of them (which is very likely - there will be a lot of meetings being held this weekend), then there will be last minute discussions in Westminster and the EU to find a way forward to facilitate the option. It will be in both parties’ interests to work it out,

If the indicative votes come out as a stalemate, then there will be lots of meetings and discussions in Westminster as they will know they are facing crashing out on 12th April and they will mostly want to stop this.

What you see on TV and the papers is only a fraction of the work that is going on behind the scenes.

If it comes down to crashing out on April 12th, TM will most likely revoke article 50. They will probably have a vote before she does so - there is (just about) time to do it. MPs will be asked to vote on the two options (crash out or revoke) and my money is on revoke.

exactly Loudbat they want us to make a decision and make it now. Which given the amount of time we have had is actually pretty fair

But they would of course have us back - because (and if you are a leaver this must have you really angry) it means that no one can ever leave. because basically if we dont given the public support here for it no one will

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/03/26/we-can-and-should-revoke-article-50-heres-how-to-do-it/

Is a good read.

In effect yes TM can revoke it call and general election and step down and then run off

"Irish PM urges all sides to be 'open to a long' delay

Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar has released a statement saying the UK doesn't seem to understand no-deal is a growing possibility and calling for a long delay to Brexit

He says: “Ireland has been preparing intensively for a no-deal scenario. But no one should under-estimate the difficulties that a no-deal will present, for all of us, including the UK.

"It is not clear that the UK has fully understood that No Deal is not off the agenda. Rather, it’s a growing possibility.

“We welcome the decision of President Donald Tusk to call a European Council meeting. I will have the opportunity to meet one-to-one with President Macron and Chancellor Merkel before that.

"I will also speak to other Heads of Government by phone. It is now incumbent on the UK to chart a realistic way forward for consideration at that Council meeting.

“I believe we must be open to a long extension should the United Kingdom decide to fundamentally reconsider its approach to Brexit and put back on the table options previously ruled out. I believe that will result in a generous and understanding response from the 27.”

"There is something profoundly undemocratic about British politics at the moment. The Prime Minister feels she can bring her deal back to parliament for as many times as it takes to get the answer she wants. And yet she claims it is undemocratic to hold a public vote."

The Independent

This ^

I fear a no deal as this is May's form - just to plough ahead regardless.

The statements from the EU are very much about needing the UK to make a decision.

If things carry on as they are now, the danger of the EU not granting an extension is high yes. However, we still have time and votes are upcoming, to find a concrete plan. Our parliament needs to act in way which allows us to move forward.

The biggest danger to the UK is the UK itself. We cannot stay as we are now, as the EU cannot have a nation is a continual state of disarray dangling off them, preventing any moving forward.

Once we have a concrete plan, that doesn't stand to harm the EU, they have said they will work with us. We can come up with and vote on the plan very quickly if needed. Out parliament can act surprisingly quickly when push comes to shove, as can the EU.

I think the EU is doing a grand job of focussing MPs minds, and their recent statements will help to forge a way forward.

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House of Commons did not seize their third chance to secure an orderly #Brexit. Very discouraging. UK must now show a way to avoid a #NoDeal. Almost out of options and time. We will intensify our no deal preparations.

Austrian Chancellor @sebastiankurz reacts to HoC vote: "I regret the renewed rejection of the Withdrawal Agreement. We continue to advocate an orderly #Brexit, even if it is now becoming less and less likely"

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12 April is now the new 29 March #Brexit

EU reacts to May's defeat

"The Commission regrets the negative vote in the House of Commons today," a European Commissions spokesperson says.

"As per the European Council (Article 50) decision on 22 March, the period provided for in Article 50(3) is extended to 12 April.

"It will be for the UK to indicate the way forward before that date, for consideration by the European Council. A 'no-deal' scenario on 12 April is now a likely scenario.

"The EU has been preparing for this since December 2017 and is now fully prepared for a “no-deal” scenario at midnight on 12 April.

"The EU will remain united.

"The benefits of the Withdrawal Agreement, including a transition period, will in no circumstances be replicated in a 'no-deal' scenario. Sectoral mini-deals are not an option."

I think if it comes down to the wire, on the last day, parliament is not stupid enough to let us crash out. The majority of MPs are well aware this will be an economic disaster. If it really does come down to the last couple of hours, they’ll hold an emergency vote to revoke; maybe revoke with promise of a PV but revoke nevertheless to say the country from catastrophe.

I don't know why people are saying disagreeing with the OP or minimising the risk of crashing out. TM has done nothing but try to appeal to and appease the hardliners. There is a huge rift in parliament (clearly) and crashing out is a very real possibility.

TM has made it glaringly obvious that she is prepared to crash out. She will not consider a PV or revoke. What goes on inside her head is a mystery. But the way that things look, crashing out is the likeliest possibility and the legal default. Like the OP says it is like a ticking bomb. You can't vote to stop a bomb.

People and MPs putting their head in the sand about the possibility of crashing out happening and what will happen if we do has lead to this. Not taking it seriously now or expecting the EU to step in a stop it madness. Anyway the EU have been preparing for the crash out a hell of a lot more than us.

If the UK revoked, the EU would legally have to accept and would almost happily have us back (all goodwill will have gone though). But, there can't be a GE, PV or extension because TM has run down the clock. I highly doubt the EU will agree to the UK taking part in EMP elections and the brexiters, whose opinions for some reason count more than anyone else's, would go bonkers. That leaves crashing out or revoke. Both seem impossible, but one will be the outcome - most likely crashing out.

Presumably there’s nothing to stop us evoking article 50 again after a revoke.

So she could revoke and present it like ‘we need more time so we’ll evoke again when we have a clue what we’re doing’

All of the statements you are posting show that as long as the UK comes up with a credible plan, they can prove backing for, the EU can work with us.

If we stay as we are now, I do worry about the EU not granting the extension, for the reasons I said previously (namely not wanting our MEPs in the room if we are likely to crash out).

However we do still have time to come to the plan, and they are open to that. Just not having us stay a bit longer to crash out a little later.