I want to leave the EU because....

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Personally I don’t but I have never heard a good reason to leave and I really want to, the mantra seems to be “we won so deal with it”
So if you are a leaver then please finish this sentence
I want to leave the EU because....

And this is not intended as a provocation, I am just really naive and genuinely curious when it comes to good reasons to leave, need peace of mind I guess that there are good reasons out there. I need to hear some!

blue passports

Increased opportunities for HM Customs employees and border agents

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Something about sovereignty
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Yup, think that's about it

You will get only plenty of feelings, plenty of sound bites, but very few actual reasons. Good luck with your quest.

Oh my god how many disingenuous threads on how people don't understand, just want to have some hope etc? All dressed up as I'm so clever and leavers are stupid.

Some people's lives are hard and impacted by immigration, the London bubble, a lack of input - their lives may get worse after Brexit but is it really so difficult to think that freedom of movement , Erasmus etc don't figure in everyone's lives. The idea of a job abroad or a lengthy period of travel is alien and unachievable.

Unless this awful attitude is dropped the divide will only get deeper.

OP if you haven't understood by now why those people who want to leave the EU do so, you do not want to. This reflects on you, not on leave voters.

I’m not a leaver, but I struggled to decide which way to vote.

In the end I went for remain, but this is why I considered leave:

I believe democracy should be as localised as possible and I am suspicious of handing over elements of control to an organisation (the EU) that none of us truly understands, and which doesn’t seem fully accountable.

I've heard some legitimate grievances, but no coherent explanation of how Brexit would help.

E.G, Fisheries. Yes, the CFP is bonkers, and yes, why should Austria or Slovakia have a vote on it?

But when you get your own waters and land your fish, where are you going to sell it?

My question is genuine and I am actually interested but thanks for making assumptions and responding with hostility and therefore deepening the divide.

Quite frankly we have paid an insane amount of money to the EU that i would like our government to spend nationally.
Yes i know we get funding in various area but this is far less than we put in. We can fund that ourselves now

We can make our own deals for trade, it will be fine. We have been very restricted for many years.

I have listened to numerous phone ins in Radio 5. The thrust of the argument is: deciding our own trade deals, not being told what to do by EU, ensuring our own Parliament is sovereign, choosing who we let into the country, getting our fisheries back, getting more money to spend because we no longer pay the EU, no longer having to make things to EU specifications, a better future as a result of all this, getting our jobs back. They also hark back to a golden era before the EU, winning the war and how it was great when we had an empire! It has made excruciating listening. Oh yes, and Northern Ireland is an irrelevance. We are better off if they join with Eire. I do not agree with any of it.

I have listened to their arguments and it just seems like a huge leap into the unknown and we will all be worse off. Hope that helps! It’s a joke about Parliament being sovereign isn’t it? Be careful what you wish for! The EU have the better negotiators, don’t they? We have our mob!

Op, yes love, course you were. How silly of me.

The EU has world wide trade deals. There are no restrictions. Germany sells 6x what we sell to China for example. It’s not the EU that restricts trade, it not selling what other countries want! No one has negotiated trade deals with us aiart from Chile and the Faroe Islands. The EU ensures quality and common standards. This particularly applies to food and is vital. Expect 10 years of haggling over trade deals and we could have just got on with trade as normal worth the EU. Why do we need our own? We clearly don’t have anyone who can negotiate anything? Liam Fox is a disaster!

TAKING BACK CONTROL!!!!! or something

You won’t get funding from the government if the tax take reduces. Dream on!

Control of what? Our Givernment has lost control! Do we trust them now?

I think the OP could be genuine actually. I voted remain and didn't consider otherwise tbh. Now that a no deal exit is looking likely I'm more keen to understand what people wanted/were expecting when they voted to leave. Maybe to make myself feel more optimistic, because I am worried.

Can I ask those who voted leave, are you worried about a no deal scenario? If not, why not? This is a genuine question, because as I said, the prospect worries me.

JUst a pity that the London bubble is nothing to do with the eu. A pity that people think that more money would go to the regions without the eu. More money could have gone to the regions without asking permission of the eu. Just needed our politicians to do it.

Just a pity that immigration could have been halved even within the eu but somehow immigration is the fault of eu not the choices of our politicians . We just needed our politicians to do it.

Just a pity that people blamed the eu for the choices of our politicians

Just a pity that people seem to think the eu made choices without any impact from our politicians

Somebody said something about zero rated VAT on sanitary products. I could understand appeal of that. If you spend £13/month on sanitary products, zero-rating would mean savings of £7.50/yr.

Cost of 1.5 pints in the pub, right? Important to some, I am led to understand.

We will always need to import half our food and raw materials.

We could get plenty of cheap food on world markets, but this would destroy the UK agriculture sector which cannot compete with all that cheap land and sunshine.

Regard export markets for UK manufacturing, this assumes there will be any factories left once Mini, Airbus, Toyota, Nissan, Ford, JLR etc have all left and joined Jimmy Dyson offshore.

Pardon my ignorance but i genuinely dont kniw what sovereignty is?

The only possible positive I can think of is that the government can no longer blame the EU for everything and their absolute incompetence would be exposed as it already has in the negotiations.

I didn't vote leave BTW

OP if you are genuinely struggling, there are numerous threads in the Brexit section asking, and answering, exactly the same question. Hence the scepticism.

I have lots of reasons, one being the EU Common agricultural policy. Even those who want to remain (well, apart from the Mumsnet nutters) are not blind to its flaws.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/10/brexit-leaving-eu-farming-agriculture

But honestly guys, my DH is a remainer. Anytime I can’t be arsed arguing with him about Brexit I just tell him he’s like the mumsnet remainers. Shuts him up like a charm, even the most ardent supporter of the EU doesn’t want to be associated with the bollocks chanted on here.

go Whiskey, let’s just be rude about people . That really helps