I want to leave the EU because....

[Fatasfook]

Personally I don’t but I have never heard a good reason to leave and I really want to, the mantra seems to be “we won so deal with it”
So if you are a leaver then please finish this sentence
I want to leave the EU because....

"is it really so difficult to think that freedom of movement , Erasmus etc don't figure in everyone's lives. The idea of a job abroad or a lengthy period of travel is alien and unachievable"

It's so dog in the manger. The attitude is I don't want to use the benefit so I don't want anyone to have it.

I think it's fairly clear when I posted that that (if you take it in context) it was about these things having no meaning to a lot of people rather than them wanting to take them away from others. But, you know, another imaginary stick to beat leavers with.

Leavers are so keen to say they researched thoroughly before voting so they must KNOW they are deliberately depriving others.

Leavers are so keen to say they researched thoroughly before voting so they must KNOW they are deliberately depriving others

People vote for they consider to be best for themselves. I have never voted on the basis of "what is best for the rest of the World"

{People vote for they consider to be best for themselves. I have never voted on the basis of "what is best for the rest of the World"}

Ah, the greedy 'me, me, me' stance of the Leaver is finally revealed.
Typical 'I'm OK and fuck you' response.

Ah, the greedy 'me, me, me' stance of the Leaver is finally revealed.
Typical 'I'm OK and fuck you' response.

And typical Remainer response. Resort to abuse rather than listen to and engage with what Leavers are saying. Thereby proving the point made by Snog yesterday:

I think people who voted leave wanted to have a voice and to be listened to, but that just isn't happening.

{And typical Remainer response. Resort to abuse rather than listen to and engage with what Leavers are saying.}

With 3 years worth of 'we won, get over it' and FUCK ALL CLUE about what you have won and even worse no idea how the UK will ever get back to the prosperity it had 3 years ago it is about time leavers were exposed for the greedy and incompetent action they took to destroy the UK. Even now with 3 days until the UK was due to leave there is NO plan.

People are entitled to vote how they choose. If their vote results in them being better off because what they voted for happens then so be it.

If their neighbour voted differently and is worse off because what they voted for did not happen then so be it.

No policy will ever be created that pleases everyone.

Indeed I would challenge anyone on MN to state categorically that when they vote they always stand back and decide what vote is best for those worse off than themselves (which if you live in the UK it is measured in the billions when you take into account the population of China and India) as opposed to what vote is best for themselves as an individual.

"Leavers are so keen to say they researched thoroughly before voting so they must KNOW they are deliberately depriving others."

Not necessarily. Taking Erasmus as an example, they may have considered the possibility that, post Brexit, similar exchange programmes will be re-established thereby depriving nobody.

"With 3 years worth of 'we won, get over it' and FUCK ALL CLUE about what you have won and even worse no idea how the UK will ever get back to the prosperity it had 3 years ago it is about time leavers were exposed for the greedy and incompetent action they took to destroy the UK."

A foul mouthed response that is going to do nothing to encourage the average leave supporter to contribute to this thread.

"Even now with 3 days until the UK was due to leave there is NO plan."

How is that the fault of the people that voted to leave?

{Not necessarily. Taking Erasmus as an example, they may have considered the possibility that, post Brexit, similar exchange programmes will be re-established thereby depriving nobody}

Rather thin as an observation goes. The Tory government has been accused of preventing funds 'from' the EU going to Wales to aid redevelopment. Erasmus, like many EU wide initiatives relies on the UK being a member of the EU, the government 'voted for' by Leavers wanted out. A third country can't 'demand' that the EU lets it join in with EU initiatives.
Leaving is an isolationist policy, our children are suffering because of it.

{How is that the fault of the people that voted to leave?}
By NOT thinking critically about how the unicorns would be delivered and failing to understand anything about the world beyond what the MSM waffles on about leaves deliberately voted for things with NO plan. FFS own your choice.
It would be better to start thinking of ways to reverse the problem but it seems 'leavers' are to precious to have to think about others.

"A third country can't 'demand' that the EU lets it join in with EU initiatives."

Who is talking about demanding access to Erasmus? I suggested that a similar exchange scheme could be set up.

Other countries have managed it, why not the UK?

Just one example... wep.org.au/countries/

"By NOT thinking critically about how the unicorns would be delivered and failing to understand anything about the world beyond what the MSM waffles on about leaves deliberately voted for things with NO plan. FFS own your choice.
It would be better to start thinking of ways to reverse the problem but it seems 'leavers' are to precious to have to think about others."

If you want to blame anyone for not having a plan for leaving at the time of the referendum, surely it should be Cameron.

He voted to remain, I believe.

But, you know, another imaginary stick to beat leavers with

It isn't actually. Someone on Twitter said something very similar. She didn't want freedom of movement because she didn't want to work overseas so had voted to leave the EU. So because she doesn't want it, no British citizen can have it.

I think people who voted leave wanted to have a voice and to be listened to, but that just isn't happening

I don't disagree with that at all. The problem is that people are shouted down. If you expressed a concern about immigration you were shouted down as a racist. In fact there are very real and reasonable concerns about population growth (although as I said on another thread, also fueled by one of the highest birth rates in the EU). We are only a small island and we do need to make sure infrastructure keeps pace with population growth but also without concreting over the countryside.

Now you get the "you lost get over it" or "all Brexiters are stupid".

How is that the fault of the people that voted to leave?

It’s not. Poor implementation by government. T May voted remain, but was allowed to lead the leave negotiations! Like asking a football captain to change sides just before the start of the World Cup Final. Unlikely to generate much enthusiasm.

This whole problem lies with David Cameron and his advisors who before announcing a referendum didn’t even consider putting a plan of action in place in case the referendum results were to leave.

The fact that it didn’t seem to cross their minds did show how out of touch with society they were.

The arrogance was breath taking. I voted remain but knew that we would leave.

It was a dreadful campaign and Project Fear for the people I know who voted leave only enforced their conviction that leaving wouldnt affect them as much and there was a sense of “sticking it to the Chipping Norton set” IYSWIM.

The whole campaign appeared to be targeted at the middle classes with talk of house prices dropping, holiday prices going up and loss of jobs. Which for a section of society meant nothing.

{If you want to blame anyone for not having a plan for leaving at the time of the referendum, surely it should be Cameron.

He voted to remain, I believe.}

The time for 'blame' is well and truly over, but 'leave' voters still haven't twigged the fact they need to get a plan together because when the UK leaves there will be the loud clang of the EU door closing behind them and they will have to do all the thinking themselves.
If people had read the leaflet and considered what Cameron said in it, they would have realised that staying in the EU was the best plan.
Chasing after rainbows in a fast changing globalised world can never work out well. Jumping from being 'in' with the EU to being the poodle of the USA isn't a brilliant option, made more worrying when you see what compromises the UK will have to make and that the current reports are suggesting that all will not be plain sailing.

If people had read the leaflet and considered what Cameron said in it, they would have realised that staying in the EU was the best plan

Maybe they didn’t believe it to be true. I can remember some saying “if it is good for the politicians it must be bad for the average person in the street as all politicians do is line their own pockets”

"Someone on Twitter said something very similar. She didn't want freedom of movement because she didn't want to work overseas so had voted to leave the EU. So because she doesn't want it, no British citizen can have it."

I suspect that if you asked that same person face-to-face, it would be wider implications of freedom of movement that she had a problem with, not that she voted to leave purely and simply to deprive others of a specific opportunity that she personally had no use for.

"The time for 'blame' is well and truly over, but 'leave' voters still haven't twigged the fact they need to get a plan together"

Short of 17 million people marching on parliament and seizing control of the decision making process, just how do you expect "leave voters" to do that?

This is predominantly a nice forum with working or middle classes using it.
I work in some of the most deprived areas where there is a high population of certain Eastern European's

If you really want an honest answer as to why people in those areas voted leave please google or you tube community tensions in Sheffield.

A recent "inside out" documentary followed one young Roma lad trying to get his community to tidy up and stop some of the practices his community were doing that upset the locals.

Most remainers won't even know anything about how these communities are living.

The truth doesn't mean people are racist or anti immigration. But many were sick of living with the tensions and the reality of living like that.

A quick trip to you tube and an open mind would show what people were and are putting up with.

I work in law enforcement. Before that the nhs. It's in these areas you see the reality of what leavers are generally moaning about and there isn't an answer because it's not all scaremongering or racists blowing hot air. Most comfortable middle classes or those who live in the suburbs won't see it and are probably quick to dismiss others concerns as bigoted or misinformed.

I'm a professional. But because of my job I see the other side .

I suspect that if you asked that same person face-to-face, it would be wider implications of freedom of movement that she had a problem with, not that she voted to leave purely and simply to deprive others of a specific opportunity that she personally had no use for

No, the tweet was exactly how I have described it.

With no mention of the wider context. It was very clearly "I don't want to use freedom of movement so I voted to leave"