I want to leave the EU because....

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Personally I don’t but I have never heard a good reason to leave and I really want to, the mantra seems to be “we won so deal with it”
So if you are a leaver then please finish this sentence
I want to leave the EU because....

I heard someone on LBC this morning saying that EU immigrants took away the chances of social housing for her daughter...

"No, the tweet was exactly how I have described it."

It may well have been, but that that wasn't you having a conversation face-to-face. Did you ask her about the wider context?

{I heard someone on LBC this morning saying that EU immigrants took away the chances of social housing for her daughter...}
Which is of course incorrect.
UK government policy has consistently failed to properly assess and maker provisions for housing in the UK.
Particularly the big house construction companies have strong connection with the Tory government and influence what is built and where. Many are sitting on 'land banks', land that could be developed, but is not being. The market and planning is rigged for 'profit'.
Builders don't want to build 'social' housing as the profit margins are too low, so they want 3 or 4 bed 'executive' homes.

My father voted to leave. He is intelligent and gave the matter a lot of thought. He is fairly well off, doesn’t have any particular problem with immigration and loves travelling around Europe.
He voted leave because, like Boris Johnson, he never thought the leave vote would win!! He was protesting about the way the EU is run and thought that the Remain vote would win - so wanted to ensure there were enough leave votes for the EU to take it seriously

I was on the fence for a while too, but in the end voted remain. Mostly because I didn’t feel we had enough information for the public to make the best decision.

So some people voted with their hearts and others with their heads. Neither is a more valid reason. It just shows that the people should never have been given the vote in the first place.

It just shows that the people should never have been given the vote in the first place

So why were they allowed to vote on the EU in 1975?

{So why were they allowed to vote on the EU in 1975?}

Maybe you would like to answer that question yourself?
Maybe try and come up with a solid reason to leave and say how you would regenerate the UK economy.
Figures to the nearest billion will do, doesn't need to be too accurate.

Given the scapegoating leavers get on here, this will be the only time I comment on brexit.

On a personal level I had planned to save enough money to buy a property with cash in italy and emigrate, so staying in the eu was in my best interests.

After much research and discussion with family member with 1st class honours in economics working in the city on an obscene salary, friends who export to the eu and outside, etc along with my background in history economics and running small businesses for most of my adult life, I was and am well aware of the experimental nature of the euro.

I feel it is also important to look at the bigger picture and vote for the good of the country, rather than what will work for me, so I voted to leave.

The euro is going to struggle to survive without billions being thrown at it, this is likely to either cause the euro to fail, or to cause inflation to rocket. They can't raise interest rates, after the last round of quantative easing the ecb needs quantative tightning to rebalance, but that will send the euro zone into recession right now, more quantative easing will devalue the euro possibly to the point that it is no long trusted bla bla bla.

The EU are going to take us down with them if we don't get out. It comes down to how long and deep the coming recession will be for us. Loyalty is going to cost us dear.

For those of you who judge my view, its just starting to be talked out in the media.

www.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/24/the-europe-union-has-bigger-problems-to-deal-with-than-brexit

T May voted remain, but was allowed to lead the leave negotiations! Like asking a football captain to change sides just before the start of the World Cup Final.

Then the Leave side should have made sure that their candidates won the Tory leadership vote. Do you need reminding that Johnson immediately bottled it, and Leasdom made some quite unecessary and nasty remarks about TM not having children, so withdrew.

dearohdearohdear9
While the EU project does indeed have big problems to work on it is also 9 times the population of the UK and the citizens have a stronger reason to fear possible war, having learned what it means when it is going on in every house during occupation.
The UK 'stepping away' won't protect it from a failure of the EU, if it were to come about.
Nothing is guaranteed in life, you can only do the best you can and plan for a future you would like to see. Currently the UK has NO plan, it is not even sure if it really wants to be in or out of the EU, the various polls suggest it would prefer to stay in, and these may be more accurate than the 'rigged' referendum which at 52/48 is not a 'landslide' win.

"The market and planning is rigged for 'profit'. Builders don't want to build 'social' housing as the profit margins are too low, so they want 3 or 4 bed 'executive' homes."

Something we agree on. There are thousands of new houses being built on greenfield sites in my locality. None of it appears to be 'social' housing.

They should be built on brownfield sites at least, if not replacing old unsuitable stock that already exists.
Of course the developers are not forced to provide the amenities that new developments will need. The original plans submitted have these included to get them through planning, but they get built last, and strangely the developers find excuses not to build them. After the fuss dies down, the developer can then stick a few more houses up.
This was supposed to be regulated, but guess what, the developers 'friends' seem to be looking the other way.

1tisILeClerc

I fully agree with you, my expectation was that parliment would put together a cross party committe who would be responsible for leaving, to ensure that our choices were based on the best way to withdraw economically, rather than politically. It feels that the government have hijacked the withdrawal for some political end.

I do believe that we could have minimised the effects of the coming recession on the uk by leaving, if our mps had not made such a pigs ear of it.

Personally I am going well out of this financially whatever way it goes, as my preparations started in 2016, with a very small amount of money.

When those who voted to remain start quoting statistics about the low iq and racist views of leavers my eyes roll, as my partner is italian, (my long term ex is polish) with my lack of understanding, ability and intelligence I am going to make a killing while covering my back financially for all possible financial scenarios using similar legal loopholes to those used by the wealthy.

I taught my children that the moment you get personal you have given away the right to hold judgement on the views of others.

Indeed I would challenge anyone on MN to state categorically that when they vote they always stand back and decide what vote is best for those worse off than themselves (which if you live in the UK it is measured in the billions when you take into account the population of China and India) as opposed to what vote is best for themselves as an individual.

I'll take that challenge. Genuinely. But all votes are necessarily a compromise unless you're in a position to start your own political movement, so, for instance, I voted to stay in the EU even though I'm not happy with everything that entails, and my vote in general and local elections has varied over the years depending on where I've been living and the best strategy for keeping the Tories out.

I doubt my own personal political party would get very wide support precisely because of the billions you mention, Pizza. But, for instance, I don't think I'm particularly unusual in wanting to see a more grown-up debate about economic migration and a more principled foreign and environmental policy irrespective of the economic cost. And domestically I would like productivity to be measured in terms of quality of life instead of GDP. Whether this is the altruistic stance you suggest is open to debate, though, because imo this would make life better for us all as individuals too, including me, of course.

If you're genuinely sceptical that anyone votes (or indeed acts) to 'make the world a better place' as opposed to prioritising their own very particular gains, then I think you should take a look at the company you're keeping.

You probably won't get a reason that you think is good enough though. It's just difference of opinion. In the same way that I don't think there are good reasons for voting tories. Many people think there are.

I would genuinely like some positives. I can get quite anxious so would like some perspective.

We will be able to get duty free on European trips again

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Of all the posters on MN you are the only one to state that you put the Worlds needs before your own when you vote. Says it all.

Hahahahahaha

Probably all it says is that everyone else is ignoring you.

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Except you who has answered twice? Reality is simple. When the ship starts to sink it’s everyone for themselves.

Look at how many so-called socialist labour MPs live in big houses and send their children to private schools because they can afford, but at same time preach equality?

Dear , articles like that in abundance since forever of the EU.

It's not a success story and being as strong as it's weakest caravan is true across the board

Maybe try and come up with a solid reason to leave and say how you would regenerate the UK economy

Growth is not always the most profitable route. Many businesses around the World have improved their profitability by rationalization. Their turnover may be less than before, but profitability is higher.

Example. Which is the most successful business; the one that turns over 100 Million and has a 5 million profit or the one that has 50 Million turnover, but with 10 million profit? As many business people and entrepreneurs have stated "Turnover is Vanity whereas profit is sanity".

Luxembourg has a population of around 600,000, but has the highest GPD per capita in Europe. Whereas Germany, France and UK barely make it into the top 10 when compared to the EU as whole.

So where did the UK go wrong?

De-Industrialized during the 80s. However, some might say that as Unions had become too powerful the UK manufacturing sector could never compete with other countries. Thatcher did a good job of breaking the unions by defeating the NUM in 1984/1985, but the damage had been done.
Spent a fortune on wars by playing follow the leader with the USA
Immigration allowed to become out of control.

BrexitBingoGenerator Thank you, those were my reasons for voting and to hear someone say tthey can understand them on MN, makes a nice change.

1tisILeClerc Are you so stupid as to think A) all leavers are unemployed and b) if they are and have been for sometime, they can afford to move tto where the work is? Or don't have dependantts who need them in the area? And you have the cheek to call us ignorant and inward looking! Also, we can google FOM and Erasmus of course, butt if you can't access it or shock horror don't want to, it's not going to be a big loss to you, whereas all the things Bingo recapped, seem like massive gains.

FWIw it's remainers with attitudes like yours that are driving anger and intransigence, so I hope you're proud of that! for you.

‘Nobody who is numerate should blame the North, or the poor or the working class for what is about to become us”.

Danny Dorling: www.dannydorling.org/?p=7164

I fully agree with you, my expectation was that parliment would put together a cross party committe who would be responsible for leaving, to ensure that our choices were based on the best way to withdraw economically, rather than politically. It feels that the government have hijacked the withdrawal for some political end.

Why would you expect a cross party committee? There was never any suggestion from the Leave or Remain campaign that was even on the table. You apparently voted for an imaginary outcome.

There is no ‘best way to withdraw economically’ - even a soft Brexit would impact us economically as we would lose all say in the regulations we would have to follow - thus losing clout in the EU for our own purposes and that of global powers who see us as a springboard to Europe.

As if the referendum itself wasn’t ‘hijacked’ for a political end. Are you really so naive you didn’t notice that before and during the campaign?!

And then you get defensive about Leave voters low iqs - what conclusion do you expect people to draw from your comments?