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Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:57

We need Time!
Its the one thing we don't have.

Todays vote is on extending a50.

To the displeasure of leavers, Bercow has selected amendments:

e) Corbyn Amendment
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

h) Wollaston Amendment
cross party amendment requesting to extend to allow the ability to legislate for a PV

i) Benn Amendment
cross party backbenchers take over parliamentary time from 20th March to find a majority way forward which gives justification for an extension

j) Bryant Amendment
prevents meaningful vote III

After yesterday's vote, May is left with effectively four options:

1) Pass the WA and go for a short technical extension.
An extension would have numbers in the HoC, but passing the WA is a struggle and it's reliant on the EU granting extension which is probably viable in this circumstances.

2) Be defeated getting the WA through and be forced into asking for a long extension as a result. This would include EP elections.
This option is politically toxic to the tories and its unlikely a long extension would pass the HoC. The EU would still need a justification for a long extension - a PV would be the natural option - but not clear if that could pass the HoC. Ditto passing legislation for EP elections. Whole scenario is unlikely

3) Be forced to revoke
Tory party big red button of self destruct

4) Actively decide to pursue an illegal no deal Brexit
Let's not think of the ramification

Going through this at speed, my initial reactions to this are:

If e) passes it doesn't really make much difference to May's choices here, but Labour might have more say.

If h) passes it might make 2) more likely

If i) passes it might open up alternative options

If j) passes we might have a real issue if its the only amendment that passes - it would leave a straight choice of Revoke or No Deal UNLESS i) passes as well.

But there might be other things that are not hitting me right in the face now.

As it stands, Hard Line Brexiteers were earlier today making noises that they would now support the WA - including whispers that this would include the DUP who would be likely to set off a chain reaction of support.

However which (if any) amendments pass today could well affect whether thats even a possibility.

As a result this vote needs to carry the health warning 'Be Careful what you wish for'. What you would LIKE might be extremely high risk and might jeapordise the main vote and the chances of an extension at all.

So whilst Leavers might be unhappy about the choices, it might well ultimately work best for No Dealers. Or it could be a gift for Remainers. Bercow's selections are not necessarily biased for this reason. He does not know the outcome here. If anything it looks like he's actually trying to put more options on the table for the house, rather than allow May to dictate to the house. Which is exactly what he should be doing. He's given parliament the power.

I suspect we will not fully understand what is going on tonight EVEN MORE than last night. And it will take a short while for everyone to calibrate what the eventual result actually is going to mean.

THIS is the most important vote yet. And it has the potential its going to end up m-e-s-s-y.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 14/03/2019 12:59

PMK Thanks Red, I bet this thread fills up today :)

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 12:59

pmk

Whisky2014 · 14/03/2019 13:00

Marking my place!

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 13:00

PMK. Thanks red!

Whisky2014 · 14/03/2019 13:01

And now I know what pmk means! I thought it was some kind of vote lol

bellinisurge · 14/03/2019 13:02

Deep cleansing breaths, everyone.

InterchangeableEmma · 14/03/2019 13:02

PMK

OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/03/2019 13:03

Tiggers have their amendment approved which calls for a People's Vote.

SusanWalker · 14/03/2019 13:04

I can't keep up with this today. Really bad night with DS, my brain feels like cotton wool.

I did enjoy watching the Eddie Mair/Liz Truss interview though.

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 13:05

{Deep cleansing breaths, everyone.}
Does gargling with gin count?

phpolly · 14/03/2019 13:07

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EweSurname · 14/03/2019 13:09

Thanks red Star

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 13:09

If the vote is 5pm I am unlikely to be about (I'm running about like a loon from 4pm sorting important shit).

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 14/03/2019 13:09

thanks red

CrazyCrunk · 14/03/2019 13:10

Wow the information id been looking for , thank you Thanks PMK - hope it doesn't mean something rude

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 13:10

PoliticalPics @PoliticalPics
They are still at it in Westminster !!!!!

Westminstenders: And I neeeedddd moreeeee timeeeeee!
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wheresmymojo · 14/03/2019 13:11

PMK...shall leave the office at 5pm sharp then and listen in via LBC.

Presumably 5pm is the start of the debate rather than the actual votes which seem to usually start around 7pm?

NoWordForFluffy · 14/03/2019 13:11

PMK.

Thanks, Red.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 13:12

Thanks. red 💐

Westministenders Abbreviations:
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1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 13:15

{PMK - hope it doesn't mean something rude}
It stands for Place Mat King, being a mild corruption of placemarking.

Minimammoth · 14/03/2019 13:15

I shall try watching hanging upside down on the sofa to see if it makes more sense that way.

CoffeeRunner · 14/03/2019 13:15

Thank you - joining this thread/topic for the first time I think! Desperately trying to get my head around what the most likely end result of this whole sorry mess will be.

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 13:16

xposted with the creation of the new thread! So to repeat from earlier,

is I: (Benn) the indicative vote where they vote, then drop the one with the least support, then vote again, drop again etc and that becomes parliaments direction? If so, surely we want that to go ahead?

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 13:17

Think I'm going to switch off for a bit, lie down and watch something less stressful while debating whether or not to return to the GP about my continued gastritis/gord despite high dose PPI treatment since the summer and risk an OGD. Or decide it's all due to brexit stress seeing as it had settled and that it will settle again when the stress of the unknown disappears. Fucking brexit. Not liking this Bloody Sunday stuff either.