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Westminstenders: Are we nearly there yet?

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RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 10:01

May went to Strasbourg to improve the WA. She claimed to have won 'legally binding' assurances which mean we can't be trapped in the backstop.

Despite the claim of 'legally binding' it seems that this isn't true. It reduces the risk of being trapped but does not eliminate it.

The whole thing is just political theatre designed to give Brexiteers the opportunity to climb down and support May's deal. Whether that will happen remains to seen.

The right wing press has largely been supportive of May this morning but the ERG were scathing last night which doesn't bode well.

For May to pass the deal she needs the DUP to effectively trigger dominoes of support. If she fails to get that it's highly unlikely it will pass.

In order to pass the deal May needs an extra 116 votes compared to last time. This breaks down to roughly 10 DUP, 65 of the ERG, 4 Independents (Field/Hermon /Hopkins/Austin) and 40 Labour.

The Labour MPs won't go for it unless the numbers look tight and the DUP are on board.

We should get a feel for how things are going as the day goes on. I expect more negative comments on it to be expressed as the day goes on.

We might yet see some amendments and curveball thrown into the mix too. However none of those tabled so far this morning look likely to pass (Labour are yet to table anything)

The Cabinet meets at 9.30am. This will give us an idea of how it's played out there.

At 11.15am Barclay faces the Brexit select committee so some more scrutiny there.

The crucial moment is early afternoon before as May opens the debate on the Meaningful Vote. It is expected there will be an Urgent Question tabled to Cox the Attorney General to assess whether his legal advice that the backstop could be a trap, has changed. This is where thing will come into focus and we will get a good idea of whether the deal will pass or how heavy the defeat will be. How heavy it is, is important.

Word is that Cox said no to the validity of May’s 'legally binding assurances' last night and has been pretty much been sent away to 'think about it with a team of lawyers'. Cox has replied this is "Bollocks". But you do have to wonder if this is what May did in the Home Office with her ridiculous court cases and the A50 case. None of which went well for her in court in the end. However Cox did tell The Mail yesterday he would only change his legal advice if the risk of being trapped was 'eliminated' not merely reduced.

If its going badly a No10 damage limitation exercise will be in full swing by about 4pm.

If The Withdrawal Agreement fails by a small amount May might be able to try again. If it fails by a lot we really are into political chaos. May's position might be untenable if the Cabinet withdraw their support. If May stays that's not necessarily going to stave off even greater crisis.

Theresa May looks likely to go for an extension until 23rd May. The EU have more or less agreed to this. But this might be too short to get an alternative plan on the table. And May would be unlikely to be the person to do this anyway as it requires a huge uturn. The 23rd May date is crucial - if the UK doesn't make contingency plans to take part in European Elections its a cliff edge. A deadline of 23rd May is also too short for another referendum.

The only way we get a 2nd ref is to take the option of a longer extension which requires us to take part in European elections, and this is politically unpalatable to many Tories as it endangers Brexit completely.

This is what ERGers need to weigh up. Are they really committed to no deal. If they are not then the WA is perhaps the only way to stop no deal AND the possibility of no brexit.

However the chances of the legislation for European elections and a long extension getting through the Commons looks extremely unlikely too. But who knows where we will be come the end of April.

Thus if the WA fails then the chances of No Deal sky rocket, even if no deal is blocked by Parliament tomorrow. Unless those same MPs are prepared to vote for EP elections further down the line if need be. This might be the only way to truly block no deal. Has this dawned on Tory moderates? And that's what remain moderates and Labour MPs need to weigh up. I don't think the penny has dropped with many. Yet.

The trouble is that the WA problem is really with hardline ERG Tories not moderates nor Labour anyway.

Voting starts at 7pm.

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DGRossetti · 12/03/2019 18:46

We've yet to ask for one dg

The EUs statement couldn't be clearer. If the WA fails to pass, it's no deal. An extension would achieve nothing.

Barnier also said the same ...

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 18:46

Tim Shipman @shippersunbound
I’m told by a friend of David Davis that he will vote for the deal. He’s not responding...

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SocraticCat · 12/03/2019 18:47

PMK with a Gin and a joke:

Brexit walks into a bar.
The barman says, "Why the long farce?"

OhYouBadBadKitten · 12/03/2019 18:48

I think the Tiggers are voting against it.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 12/03/2019 18:48

Hazard your gin cocktail sounds delicious and I’m might impressed by Pretty’s homemade gin stash.

Definitely feels like a gin night, not a Prosecco night...

67chevvyimpala · 12/03/2019 18:50

I wouldn't put it past the fucker

TiddleTaddleTat · 12/03/2019 18:51

I've run out of chocolate ! Shock

lonelyplanetmum · 12/03/2019 18:53

Busker at Waterloo just now playing song with refrain " Wake me up when it's all over"..

Littlespaces · 12/03/2019 18:53

Nobody useless seems to resign any more.

Jeremy Corbyn, Chris Grayling, Teresa May.

67chevvyimpala · 12/03/2019 18:58

FUCKING HELL...GET THAT WOMAN SOME CHOCOLATE STAT!!

Belindabelle · 12/03/2019 19:00

BAR!

Everytimeref · 12/03/2019 19:01

And off they go!

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 19:01

Arj Singh @singharj
Tory MP tells me they have also heard rumour that May could announce A50 extension tonight to avoid free votes later this week

An extension to May 23 is for the EU's benefit for final prep for no deal. Pretty sure its already in effect agreed.

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LonelyandTiredandLow · 12/03/2019 19:02

Cat has just peed on my bed, on my side where I always sit.
Dirty protest or a portent of the vote?
Any ideas on how to get it out of a foam based memory mattress while I'm here?

1tisILeClerc · 12/03/2019 19:02

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/woman-jaguar-attack-arizona-selfie-fence-a8819696.html

Ignore the bit about the daft woman who is blaming a wild animal for being a wild animal. There are some pictures of a seriously cute polar bear cub in Berlin zoo.

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 19:02

Robert Peston@peston
Extraordinary last-minute statement from @SteveBarclay in reply to planted question from @JacobReesMogg, Brexit sec seemed to argue that in circumstances where the EU was effectively at war with us we could rip up the Withdrawal Agreement. Absolutely bonkers stuff. Desperate

We are planning to go to war with the EU??!!!

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Yamayo · 12/03/2019 19:03

Does that mean that a No Deal is inevitable?

Sostenueto · 12/03/2019 19:03

What was that bit about article 62?

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 19:03

Nicholas Watt @nicholaswatt
Labour source: Tory vote against Theresa May looks massive in division lobbies

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NoWordForFluffy · 12/03/2019 19:03

My current drug cocktail of codeine and amitriptyline knock me out at night. I think Night Nurse in addition may send me into a medical coma!

We have no beer in the house. I might have to have port and lemonade!

Sostenueto · 12/03/2019 19:04

Sorry see it was already answered but I am still none the wiser as to what purpose it was bought up?

lonelyplanetmum · 12/03/2019 19:05

Cat has just peed on my bed,

Last time there was a vote Born's cat vomited. Cats know stuff.

IrenetheQuaint · 12/03/2019 19:05

When doing an audit of my larder in preparation for some light stockpiling I discovered some tinned mackerel I'd forgotten, so I'm now eating it with creamy pasta. Delicious! Every cloud has a silver lining...

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 19:06

Alex Wickham@alexwickham
One veteran Brexiteer hardliner says they would rather face a general election than back May's deal. Says the ERG will "pull the pin" before Cooper-Boles-Letwin can take control

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 12/03/2019 19:06

My internet kept cutting out during Barclay’s statement. Now is not a good time for it to keel over.